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07-29-2010 04:44 PM
psychokannibal
Re: Infinity 8

I love them and I would like to purchase one. If anyone knows were I can get one let me know.
07-30-2007 09:08 PM
Bobby!
Re: Infinity 8

They're awesome, dude. I'd take a few in a heartbeat.

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Originally Posted by Dee View Post
I think 8-strings are stupid and there's barely a market for them. Looks nice, but should be a 7 and have plain black hardware. Crimson looks like dried blood. We don't need any more flamed/quilt tops and transparent finishes. I'm sick of seeing those. I hate EMG's. METTTAAALLL!!!
I hope you have a good reason why you think eight strings are stupid.
07-26-2007 05:41 PM
jim777
Re: Infinity 8

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Originally Posted by Variant View Post
I be working on mock-ups of some sevens with plain fingerboards... including a natural finish with maple. I'll post them soon!
This is not the forum to post them in though. I can see bringing your ideas for 8's to Ibanez here, as the 8 is a new format, but Ibanez is pretty set in their 7 string lineup. If you want to post mockups of 7's, please put them in the "Other 7 string guitars" section.
07-25-2007 09:58 PM
Variant
Re: Infinity 8

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Originally Posted by Drew View Post
Nice photoshop work!

Drop the finished fretboards in favor of plain maple, and I'd be seriously tempted.
I be working on mock-ups of some sevens with plain fingerboards... including a natural finish with maple. I'll post them soon!
07-25-2007 06:20 PM
Drew
Re: Infinity 8

Nice photoshop work!

Drop the finished fretboards in favor of plain maple, and I'd be seriously tempted.
07-25-2007 02:07 PM
Variant
Re: Infinity 8

BUMP! Redid the Pshops of these... they look like 150% better. Maybe Tak Hoshino will build me one (or four) now.
06-12-2007 12:52 AM
Variant
Re: Infinity 8

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Originally Posted by Zox View Post
It looks great, but you cant take a known guitar-shape, change it a little and then say it's copyrighted. If someone starts building them, it's not like you're gonna get a percentage on the profit .
1. Um, yes you can, look at an ESP Eclipse (Gibson Les Paul), Viper (SG), or Laiho (Jackson Rhodes). Or in the reverse, look how much like an Ibanez RG550 the (Fender) Hartfield Talon looked.

2. I don't have any plan on building the design for production, sale, or profit for any reason in its current incarnation. I may (with further shape modification and a headstock change, of course) have a custom builder build one for myself... but if not applied to the Ibanez line, I see no sense in retaining the particular shape & features.

3. If Ibanez builds the design, I'd hope that I'd get at least some credit for the design, marginal in modification or not. Kurt Cobain got credit for his Jaguar/Mustang mash-up. Honestly, I'd rather work for them if they were looking...
06-09-2007 03:56 PM
Zox
Re: Infinity 8

It looks great, but you cant take a known guitar-shape, change it a little and then say it's copyrighted. If someone starts building them, it's not like you're gonna get a percentage on the profit .
06-07-2007 01:27 AM
Variant
Re: Infinity 8

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Originally Posted by Kemono View Post
The white one looks really cool, but I'd rather see a maple board than something finished off like that.

If are building these, I'd be cautious about the 8 string market. It's probably not that big.
Well, like I've mentioned before (not sure it came up on this thread), it started out as a 7-string, these new mockups were done in light of my current personal 8-string leanings. The body design, features, and finishes are what make the design what it is and could easily be envisioned as 6- or 7-strings.

As for the finish, I'd rather see ebony paired with the whitewash, or an exact match to the body/headstock as it's illustrated. Plain maple would look too light, or "close", to the body finish and look kinda goofy IMO.
05-19-2007 02:28 PM
Kemono
Re: Infinity 8

The white one looks really cool, but I'd rather see a maple board than something finished off like that.

If are building these, I'd be cautious about the 8 string market. It's probably not that big.
05-17-2007 01:56 PM
Variant
Re: Infinity 8

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Originally Posted by Roland View Post
Concerning the first part - this is a problem I really understand when it comes to bass. On the other hand, you'd be surprised how capable your average rig is - fact is that most bassrigs aren't rated to handle a low A, which is 27,5hz, yet when I bring in my BTB555, a GK1001 into a 4x10-cab rated at 35hz IIRC completely SLAYS. The punch lies in the harmonics, rather than the fundamental. I guess that a 20hz-rated cab would bring out that truly bowel-shaking rumble, but your (pretty much) standard can handle a sub-octave E as well.
What's more is what kind of music you intend to play - what I'm going for when I hit the E0 is a massive rumble to reinforce whatever the guitar is doing in the lower register - i.e you won't hear any three-finger shredding in those low registers from me. Trust me, I've heard SYL on the suboctave E as well, and they sound huge on almost any rig capable of reproducing any bass at all. Getting pitch-shift to sound distinct at those low notes is another issue, though... Though I think that that has more to do with the human ear than it does about hardware, seeing that human ears are said to detect fundamental frequencies no lower than 20hz, and a suboctave E clocks in at 20.6hz!
We're talking two entirely different things here. Effectively pushing a fundamental F#00 or C#00 on a bass rig or P.A. application is one thing, composing music for the average home or car sound system is another thing entirely. When the bass place set up my Conklin with the F#00, they couldn't even get the low string to reproduce worth a sh1te with any of the rigs in there, until they latched on an 18" cab. Of course, it sounded (er, felt, really) killer... but I've never gotten my studio's sub (which ain't a small unit) to nail it half as good at home (I run direct, so I never rely on a bass head or cab). It's still there, just not as solid as the Eden cab made things happen. Nowadays though, I'll agree that there is much more potential for a 'sub-contra' bass approach then ever before. The "average" home and car system is soooooo much better equipped than ten or twenty years ago. Subs are pretty much a standard piece. My biggest gripe though is the lack of "tightness" with your average sub (car subs in particular), they just have sh1t for response. Everything's ported and chambered to hell, the speaker cones are loose as Paris Hilton's nether regions, and the magnets on the speakers big enough to hit low fundamentals are ungodly heavy! >:-( You can blame rap for that one... where the emphasis is on volume over quality. It's fine if long-sustained, rumble is what you're going for, but anything more pulse-like and articulated overwhelms your average rap-ready fart cannon.

As far as I know, the only song that Devin has done in E0 (guitar) E00 (bass) is 'Possessions', though he's got a custom ESP eight string on the way so more may come in the future. In any case, it works because Byron has a pretty full spectrum bass sound going on there (bi-amped, nicely distorted and processed) and it fills things out nicely. But the bridge in the middle, where it actually drops down to the low-E, you do lose the fundamental... especially on my Alpine/Infinity setup in my car (no-sub) or my sub-less at work setup. It's still punchy because 1. the guitar is in E0, which is the same as the lowest string on a four sting bass, and two 2. the drums and the rest of the production have got a great deal of oomph there... but honestly, you don't get the true rumble until you add a decent sub on. My studio setup will do it, but it is muddy. Otherwise, the bass essentially just doing the Meshuggah thing, providing a bass-tone in the same pitch as the guitars.

In any case, good luck with your custom guitar. I've been pondering the idea of going that route myself so I may end up there.
05-16-2007 02:13 PM
Roland
Re: Infinity 8

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Originally Posted by Variant View Post
...weather the bass fundamental will even be herd on 95% of all stereo systems that your music is being played on. F#00 is ~23 Hz...

Many bari's have specially designed pickups while brands like Bartolini, EMG and Lundgren have all made pickups specifically for extended range guitars.
Concerning the first part - this is a problem I really understand when it comes to bass. On the other hand, you'd be surprised how capable your average rig is - fact is that most bassrigs aren't rated to handle a low A, which is 27,5hz, yet when I bring in my BTB555, a GK1001 into a 4x10-cab rated at 35hz IIRC completely SLAYS. The punch lies in the harmonics, rather than the fundamental. I guess that a 20hz-rated cab would bring out that truly bowel-shaking rumble, but your (pretty much) standard can handle a sub-octave E as well.
What's more is what kind of music you intend to play - what I'm going for when I hit the E0 is a massive rumble to reinforce whatever the guitar is doing in the lower register - i.e you won't hear any three-finger shredding in those low registers from me. Trust me, I've heard SYL on the suboctave E as well, and they sound huge on almost any rig capable of reproducing any bass at all. Getting pitch-shift to sound distinct at those low notes is another issue, though... Though I think that that has more to do with the human ear than it does about hardware, seeing that human ears are said to detect fundamental frequencies no lower than 20hz, and a suboctave E clocks in at 20.6hz!

As far as the second part of the quote - I've got an acquaintance that gets Bareknuckle pickups to do custom pickups for him, and he's making fanned fret 8-string guitars! No problem on that part either, since they are custom after all - which presumably means that they'll be able to wire it in such a way that it comes out clear on the low-end as well!
05-16-2007 04:23 AM
nuno
Re: Infinity 8

they look great, though i'm not a fan of quilted maple nor arch tops. great job, man.
05-15-2007 07:05 PM
Variant
Re: Infinity 8

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Originally Posted by Roland View Post
I know where you're coming from, I've been going back and forth as well with my designs as well, Variant. The thing just is that I'm going for the lighter strings and longer scale, rather than other way around after trying out different tunings on my RG7321 - I've went down to G with an .068, which was okay tensionwise, but comparatively sounded like ass, due to the shorter scale and thicker string.
That's why I'm opting for a longer scale-length, i.e "30 as opposed to "27 or "28 - particularly as I'm aiming for suboctave E with an eight-string guitar. I've got a tensioncalculator right here that says that in order (for me) to make a suboctave E work at "28, I'd need an .080 string at least. Eventhough twenty eight inches is a welcome addition, you're gonna want as much clarity as possible for that kind of low-end on a guitar, thus a longer scale and thinner strings is to prefer. If you up the scale to "30, you can have a suboctave E with the same tension using a .074 string! Now, the upper register can prove to be a problem if you're using a straight "30-scale, which is precisely why I'd use a fanned scale which goes down to "27 on the treble-side. That way, I can use an .009 or .0085-string and get just the tension I'd like. The rest of the strings are no problem - of course you'd have to buy singles to make it all work out, though...

Bear in mind that what I'm talking about here concerns what I think is the best design for what I want!

Concerning the Ibby 8 - if low F# is all you're aiming for, "27 will work, but not really excel. Personally, when talking about a production eight-string with two added low-strings, I'd use a "28-scale, which is a good enough compromise between playability and scale-length! Of course, tremolos are a non-issue with me, but since you're seemingly an avid trem-user, that's another story.
E0 is nice... but... I dunno, coming from the guitar AND a bass player perspective, I've gotta say you've got to take into account the full sonic spectrum of things and weather the bass fundamental will even be herd on 95% of all stereo systems that your music is being played on. F#00 is ~23 Hz... and its tough to generate a bass sound that doesn't 'drop out' on most (even sub equipped) systems as you move further down the sound spectrum. Even before I played the Conklin with a low F#00, I used a lot of the subsonic harmonizer on my Korg G5 synth and you get to the point where the monitor speakers just flutter and make no noise whatsoever. That's no good.

That being said, there are a few guys and songs that go down to E00, Strapping Young Lad and Meshuggah (though, they don't octave-down bass on the low stuff) and a few jazz guys (Garry Goodman, Jauqo X-III) that go down to C#00 and they can get it to work... but then Jazz is more a more dynamic environment and the bass doesn't need to keep punching you in the gut with every pick, slap, or pluck. Careful enhancement of the bass' overtones (I'm playing around with synth doubling a 5th up) can bring those virtually inaudible notes to life. And be aware that many subs are not quick enough in response to batting away at a F#00 at 250 bpm either. In any case, there are things to think about.

As for tension... Meshuggah use a .72 on their 30" Custom Ibbys and that seems to work for them. I'd say if your're looking to go down exactly 2 half-steps, go with 28 5/8" as that's exactly 2 frets longer than a standard 25.5" and if you leave the dots where they are (24 + 2 new frets at the top) as you can capo at the second fret and get standard tuning F#BEADGBE. Both Steinberger and Tom Anderson offer bari sixes this way. You don't risk putting a strain on your high-E either if you pull up the trem. Also, I've said this before, and I'll say it again, the tone problem with very low tunings is often attributed to simply string gauge/tension... however I suspect that pickup design is a major contributing factor here. Many bari's have specially designed pickups while brands like Bartolini, EMG and Lundgren have all made pickups specifically for extended range guitars. The EMG's will be part of what makes the RG2228 work, I believe.
05-15-2007 03:42 PM
Roland
Re: Infinity 8

I know where you're coming from, I've been going back and forth as well with my designs as well, Variant. The thing just is that I'm going for the lighter strings and longer scale, rather than other way around after trying out different tunings on my RG7321 - I've went down to G with an .068, which was okay tensionwise, but comparatively sounded like ass, due to the shorter scale and thicker string.
That's why I'm opting for a longer scale-length, i.e "30 as opposed to "27 or "28 - particularly as I'm aiming for suboctave E with an eight-string guitar. I've got a tensioncalculator right here that says that in order (for me) to make a suboctave E work at "28, I'd need an .080 string at least. Eventhough twenty eight inches is a welcome addition, you're gonna want as much clarity as possible for that kind of low-end on a guitar, thus a longer scale and thinner strings is to prefer. If you up the scale to "30, you can have a suboctave E with the same tension using a .074 string! Now, the upper register can prove to be a problem if you're using a straight "30-scale, which is precisely why I'd use a fanned scale which goes down to "27 on the treble-side. That way, I can use an .009 or .0085-string and get just the tension I'd like. The rest of the strings are no problem - of course you'd have to buy singles to make it all work out, though...

Bear in mind that what I'm talking about here concerns what I think is the best design for what I want!

Concerning the Ibby 8 - if low F# is all you're aiming for, "27 will work, but not really excel. Personally, when talking about a production eight-string with two added low-strings, I'd use a "28-scale, which is a good enough compromise between playability and scale-length! Of course, tremolos are a non-issue with me, but since you're seemingly an avid trem-user, that's another story.
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