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03-25-2011 08:10 PM
WillTubarao
Re: Petrucci hype..

that's the one
03-25-2011 09:47 AM
jim777
Re: Petrucci hype..

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Originally Posted by Tubarão Guitars View Post
I just love that purple "USRG/almost JPM" from the early days:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTyXh_bYiqk
Am i dreaming or what?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpNo3...eature=related

03-25-2011 08:07 AM
Shockme.au
Re: Petrucci hype..

The higher end guitars have better wood, usually less people working on them, ie less mass produced and generally have better everything. May not be visible to the eye, but its there.
Plus add in the exclusivity and whammo, more $$
03-25-2011 07:24 AM
Milo
Re: Petrucci hype..

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Originally Posted by psychoshredder View Post
this is my RGR620, it has the JPM style switch, and it's totally stock.
It's available from 95-97 in................Japan only.




Once i have this, I forgot about.... what? JPM what?
That guitar looks sweet,
03-25-2011 02:41 AM
WillTubarao
Re: Petrucci hype..

i'll gonna say something that would be considered a HERESY but i feel this is the right thread to:
EVERYTIME i see a JPM, i think about getting one, remove the Picaso thing and put a quilted maple top to make it look like a USRG.
Heresy, iknow, heresy!!!

Another wierd thought/nightmare i had:
TO ME (and i have no proof of that, so don't quote me) the early LACS JPMs are USRGs with probably some maple top, that John loved and asked for a revamp and a new graphic/paint.
I just love that purple "USRG/almost JPM" from the early days:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTyXh_bYiqk
Am i dreaming or what?
03-25-2011 01:06 AM
linuxpenguin
Re: Petrucci hype..

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Originally Posted by jimistephen View Post
sure, there has to be a market for it and all. But Paul Gilbert can call them up and have them make any guitar he wants. The 401, the Fireman. How many Jems has Vai had made that never make it to a mass market. The question was why does a guitar that's basically a RG cost so much more? The answer is because of who's name is on it, and the limited number...sometimes (i'm looking at you JEM's). You don't have to do much market research when there are couple thousand people screaming for you to make a guitar and then you make 50 of them.

Id never consider a JEM an RG. Theres just too much disparity between them. About all they share is a similar body shape, 24 frets, and a locking nut.

JEM >>> rg550, but thats just my biased opinion. Now, is the JEM worth 2500??? hell no. RG550 is FAR better bang for the buck, at least from "new".


edit: You are partially paying for the "prestige" (no pun intended) of that name on the head stock. Honestly, lets look at cars. Corvette ZR1 Vs ferrari F458... The ZR1 is faster, and costs hundreds of thousands less. But its a corvette (rg550). No one will 2nd glance unless they know exactly what it is. The ferrari on the other hand.......
03-25-2011 12:16 AM
DaylightDies
Re: Petrucci hype..

Crappy day at work, and I'm into my first beer and post work Jemsite browse, so I'm going to attempt to interject some humor since there seems to be some pretty serious discussion on a subject that all comes down to personal preference about either what you think is worth what, or what makes a sig guitar any better than any other version of the base model.

Isn't saying a Petrucci, Vai, Satch, Gilbert, etc is "just like any other RG except" the same thing as saying "just because a woman has breasts, a vagina, and a pulse, she's the same/as good as the next one"? Or that because they're both mustangs, a 4 cylinder and a V8, or for that matter that an RG350 and an American Master are equal? It's the subtle individual characteristics, and the eye (and wallet) of the beholder that make the difference. I own nigh 20 different RGs (and sold tens more), and you can bet your arse that none of them are/were that similar in anything other than shape when it came down to sound, feel, etc.

In the end, WTF does it matter why someone thinks the hype is warranted or not? Don't get me wrong, I know this is a discussion forum and wasting time debating ultimately useless stuff, and espousing personal opinions is the name of the game, but to have any serious feelings about the matter is just kind of pointless. There's a ton of horrible stuff happening in the world, and we're all lucky enough to have the luxury of having a forum as awesome as this one be something that's a focus of our attention rather than some dire sh*t. Basically what I'm trying to say is.....I love you guys *group hug*

Oh, and BTW, thanks for creating the thread. Because of it, I a) learned about that rad RGR620, and b) forgot that I don't own a Petrucci and those are rad guitars, so I need to start looking out for one again!

Normally not a sig guitar fan at all, but those early DT albums are some of my faves and either a P3 or a 90th would be a nice addition to the collection.
03-25-2011 12:06 AM
moebius
Re: Petrucci hype..

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Originally Posted by AxeHappy View Post
Don't they have a different neck? Like different thickness and profile and whatnot? Not to mention different pups and all that jazz?

As far as I'm concerned the neck IS the guitar so saying their the same guitar seems pretty silly to me.
You are correct on all accounts.
03-24-2011 11:52 PM
AxeHappy
Re: Petrucci hype..

Don't they have a different neck? Like different thickness and profile and whatnot? Not to mention different pups and all that jazz?

As far as I'm concerned the neck IS the guitar so saying their the same guitar seems pretty silly to me.
03-24-2011 08:40 PM
Metlupass2
Re: Petrucci hype..

JPMs are great guitars and just like JEMs, JS, and PGMs, they're super addictive!

Deals are to be had if you are smart. Lately on Ebay they've been selling for pretty high dollar which is why you're seeing them for sale more frequently now because everyone sees one or two auctions that gets carried away and think they can sell theirs for the same price.

Heres my two...I've also got a 3120 and they're not the same.

03-24-2011 08:28 PM
jimistephen
Re: Petrucci hype..

sure, there has to be a market for it and all. But Paul Gilbert can call them up and have them make any guitar he wants. The 401, the Fireman. How many Jems has Vai had made that never make it to a mass market. The question was why does a guitar that's basically a RG cost so much more? The answer is because of who's name is on it, and the limited number...sometimes (i'm looking at you JEM's). You don't have to do much market research when there are couple thousand people screaming for you to make a guitar and then you make 50 of them.
03-24-2011 06:13 PM
satchmo72
Re: Petrucci hype..

Really?? That's all there is to it? It's just a switch? Paint, body style, neck, and endorsement have nothing to do with it? Sales volumes, manufacturing and procurement costs be d*mned? Add in the old adage "what the market will bear" and you have a nasty mess.

You guys are not that ignorant are you? And I dont mean that offensively!!!

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Originally Posted by moebius View Post
That's ok. Not everyone gets it. No worries.
03-24-2011 04:23 PM
moebius
Re: Petrucci hype..

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Originally Posted by musikron View Post
Its just a 3 way toggle, I don't get why people think that switch costs an extra $1k to produce and install.
That's ok. Not everyone gets it. No worries.
03-24-2011 02:43 PM
metalguy
Re: Petrucci hype..

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Originally Posted by dgabriel713 View Post
Hey Metalguy. to answer your question about price?? I found all of my JPMs for under $900. not that im bragging.. you just have to be patient and on the look out for one.. like evilbay.
I buy the jpms because i love the guitar itself. not because of the petrucci name. In fact i wish Ibanez would bring that exact guitar back and give it another model or name..
The discussion of whether the JPM and Jems are RGS underneath?? well that is an endless debate. any signature ibanez (if it resembles a RG) is and RG on Steroids if you ask me..
The Viper necks on JPMS are very nice. a tad thicker than the low wizard profile.. but not as thick as the Fender strats. they are very comfortable.
The jpm dont feel like the RG3120. ( i have 2 a 2001 & 2002) no they dont feel like the RG520s..
You can pick up a JPM, Jem, RG3120, Jcustom &some other prestiges and feel the solid craftmanship of them.. Hence the price tag.
At the same i have found some sweet playing RGs. for example i found a 1989 540PHH for $400.00 that out shreds my other 1989 540PHH for $1300.00.. I hope i helped you in some way. good luck..
Very helpful. Thanks man..
03-24-2011 01:05 PM
musikron
Re: Petrucci hype..

Its just a 3 way toggle, I don't get why people think that switch costs an extra $1k to produce and install.
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