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08-06-2002 05:55 PM
Drew Yeah, i remember reading a review of that Roland VG-8 (? i think...) system that said something to the effect of "while the Hendrixy half-step down strat into a marshall settings SOUNDED good, there was something odd going on with the resonances of the standard tuned guitar and the detuned sounds coming out of the amp. It just didn't FEEL right."

You can model everything you want about the guitar... But until we get something where the fret size, neck scale, body wood, action, controls, bridge, and wear and abuse changes at the push of a button... A guitarist's relationship with his guitar is MUCH more personal than with his amp. this will be a total flop.

That said, i'd almost buy one just for a good electric sitar, if i could score one for $2-300.

-Drew
08-05-2002 11:24 AM
rlintz Here's a few problems I see with this concept. The Line 6 amp modeling line gives you approximations of amps that, if all purchased, would equal a ton of money. With a Mesa Double Rectifier head and cab alone going for well over $2000, a POD with that and a ton of other great tones is a real bargain - especially because you can't find a single solid state amp which will even come close to approximating the Mesa tone.

Now let's switch to guitars. A decent sounding Squier strat made in Indonesia can be had today for under $200. It may not be a '58 strat but the tones are close and the guitar is made decently. Similar story for the Epi Les Pauls. What this boils down to in my mind is I don't believe the cost to value ratio for this Variax is anywhere near that of the POD Line.

Another thing is that people hold their guitars, they touch them, interact with them, are associated with them - the guitar becomes an extension of the player and therefore guitarists will place a lot more scrutiny on the guitar - much more so than the back-end amp / tone modeler. People won't like the feel, frets, fingerboard radius / material, shape, color, headstock, etc. etc. Any of these things will preclude guitarists from buying this thing.

Just some thoughts to ponder...
08-05-2002 07:15 AM
Polaris20
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Originally Posted by Fabe
I might be beaten into a bleeding pulp for this, but I think that this thing is going to be great. The guy demonstrating it at the press conference said, that they are still working on it. But to have all thos guitars in one is a really great idea. I mean are you guys bashing the POD? It's the same idea, just with a guitar. It won't sound 100 %, but for people with limited budget and money this things going to be a real winner. And it's a reasonable price for $ 999. The thing is you need to play it, before you can judge it's playability. Maybe it has a good neck. Maybe it feels good. You can get used to the body, I guess. I think that could have been done better but, still... Maybe they'll change the shape of it for later models, who knows. I can't wait to try this thing. The thing that it's really lacking though is a whammy

Fabe
I own a POD and a Flextone. Love them both. However this guitar needs to be a bit more thought out, even though I do think it's a great idea.
08-04-2002 11:59 PM
Two hands31 Now I can finally immitate the country version of "Crawling" by Linkin Park that's on their DVD (thanx to the banjo setting ).
08-04-2002 10:29 PM
Reaper
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Otherwise, I think Line6 should give more options, such as body shape, neck shape, fret #, bridge type (double-locking sitar anyone? ) or offer it as an add on component for your existing guitar.

gotta agree with that one. and I can't wait to hear someone play either "surfing with the alien", "Satch Boogie", or "Mr. Scary" on a sitar. Harmonic squeals!
08-04-2002 09:17 PM
Two hands31 I personally own a Flextone II, so no Line6 bashing here. I just think they need to learn a bit more about building guitars and cosmetics before attempting this one. I also think it's a very cool idea, especially if it's as decently priced as mentioned. I would also use it mainly for the exotic instrument types. And sitting here looking at it is giving me ideas. I'd love to see someone rip one open and stuff it's parts into an Ibanez. If that's possible, cool! Otherwise, I think Line6 should give more options, such as body shape, neck shape, fret #, bridge type (double-locking sitar anyone? ) or offer it as an add on component for your existing guitar.
08-04-2002 06:45 PM
Reaper
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Originally Posted by foureyezonme
Saying all of the above, it would be great if the guitar actually played well, too...

I think it would be funny as hell to whip that thing out in the middle of a gig and let rip with a fast-as-lighnin', fretboard-meltin', arpeggio-sweepin' banjo solo...

But I'm wierd like that.

Nick
I was wondering the same thing as I was reading all the posts. Do you guys just not care how well it plays? And Nick you're not so wierd, because that's all I would really buy it for. I care more about different instruments, like the dobro, sitar, and banjo than I do about the different guitar models (like the strat, tele, LP, etc.).

And what about looks??? You play that thing on stage and people will think you've got the Dano from Mars!
08-04-2002 06:34 PM
Fabe I might be beaten into a bleeding pulp for this, but I think that this thing is going to be great. The guy demonstrating it at the press conference said, that they are still working on it. But to have all thos guitars in one is a really great idea. I mean are you guys bashing the POD? It's the same idea, just with a guitar. It won't sound 100 %, but for people with limited budget and money this things going to be a real winner. And it's a reasonable price for $ 999. The thing is you need to play it, before you can judge it's playability. Maybe it has a good neck. Maybe it feels good. You can get used to the body, I guess. I think that could have been done better but, still... Maybe they'll change the shape of it for later models, who knows. I can't wait to try this thing. The thing that it's really lacking though is a whammy

Fabe
08-03-2002 06:59 AM
Polaris20
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Originally Posted by darren wilson
I think it'd be a blast to mess around with in the studio. I wonder how its quality compares to the VG-88.
I've seen the NAMM video, and I'm just dissappointed they chose to have 2 tele sounds, 3 LP sounds, yet no baritone sounds or bass sounds.

I would have thought something with this potential they would have done something more creative.

I could give 2 sh*ts about have 1 LP sound, let alone 3.
08-02-2002 06:24 PM
darren wilson I think it'd be a blast to mess around with in the studio. I wonder how its quality compares to the VG-88.
08-02-2002 06:16 PM
Kremlin It's pretty cool I thought.. Can't wait to try one out, but I doubt I'd buy one. I think they'd have more success selling a modeling "pickup" for guitars so you can fit it into your favourite axe. I'd buy one for sure to plunk into a beater that feels good (like my Epi).
07-25-2002 12:13 PM
Two hands31
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Originally Posted by foureyezonme
Saying all of the above, it would be great if the guitar actually played well, too...

I think it would be funny as hell to whip that thing out in the middle of a gig and let rip with a fast-as-lighnin', fretboard-meltin', arpeggio-sweepin' banjo solo...

But I'm wierd like that.

Nick
That's not weird, I'd use the Sitar feature. In every song.
07-25-2002 07:25 AM
foureyezonme Saying all of the above, it would be great if the guitar actually played well, too...

I think it would be funny as hell to whip that thing out in the middle of a gig and let rip with a fast-as-lighnin', fretboard-meltin', arpeggio-sweepin' banjo solo...

But I'm wierd like that.

Nick
07-25-2002 07:09 AM
Polaris20
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Originally Posted by Jay Cal
Here's an option:
Buy the ugly line6 guitar, get yourself a RG421, yank out all the electronics from your Ibanez and replace the electronics (and bridge) with the line6 stuff. What do you get?
A good looking axe with loads of possibilities (if this line6 product is as good as it claims to be that is).

Just my EUR 0.02

Greetz,
Jay
Or just buy the integrated GK2a kit from Roland, have a tech route and install it, and buy a VG88 which has 10x the sounds the Variax will.
07-25-2002 12:00 AM
rlintz Bummer. I thought we'd be seeing a new POD Pro from Line 6 soon - not the "Frankencaster".
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