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12-07-2012 12:32 PM
Guitarchaeology
Re: Band members.

It depends on the sound you are trying to achieve. Jazz trios can get work just fine with drums, bass, and keys or guitar.

For rock, I think you need a bass. Yeah, some groups have a keyboardist that takes the bass lines, but generally speaking.. for rock you need a bass in the mix.
08-21-2012 12:12 PM
SonicProvocateur
Re: Band members.

I agree with RGT and the others, you have to have an excellent bassist and a killer drummer. You have to be able to follow each other note for note and know each others looks, be ready to change up just by glancing - like conducting an orchestra. Some musicians don't get that. Without that tightness that you can feel it's hard to even jam with people because you can't follow each other, noone knows who's following who, the music is just floating around, there is no tightness or groove. Once it's there though things like another guitarist or keys is just icing on the cake.
08-20-2012 08:19 PM
RGTFanatic
Re: Band members.

For me, a killer bass player and monster drummer are absolute necessities. Without them.....I quit.

Keyboards are nice, I play them myself. In an ideal situation I'll share ALL rhythm, lead, and keyboard duties with another guitar player that's as good as, or better than, me. This keeps either of the guitar players from feeling like the STAR of the show.........the whole band, the crowd, and the venue owner always benefit from that.
08-14-2012 08:52 AM
Tommy Deluciano
Re: Band members.

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlaskaBat View Post
I may be going out on a limb here, but I'd bet that most of the members here (OP included) don't have the deep pockets that DLR, Clinton or Steely Dan have.

Plus--what's the fun of having hired guns???
A band should communicate, have similar interests and goals, be on the same playing level and just enjoy everything about playing. That's what a GOOD band is.

Everyone likes to get paid to play, but the decent bacon doesn't start coming in until the band is established and they play well enough for the good gigs. It's called paying your dues. Most bands play for free at first just to get out there. Local events, fairs, block parties, school functions, etc.
If the members don't get along--tell them to shape up, or ship out!
I agree with both posts, I would like the cash for a decent amp let alone to hire good musos,though if I could I would to keep things original and the way I want them,that would be great then imagine the cash to do a tour with an awesome stage show,and to build a nice studio with all the trick gear and then imagine that you had the cash to do massive promotion in mags mtv ,TV ,awesome videos on the net with the coolest video software to make them, yes with enough money ,one could put a band out there and succeed .
There is also great satisfaction to create a band with a bunch of other people and rock out at any gig paid or not ,just for the love of playing,I myself havnt been in a band of any kind for a good 11 years now ,so I jam with my sonar software on my PC because I love playing.
Im toying with the idea of getting out there again and if I do it will be hopefully with a working band ,although it wouldnt really matter to me if it was a party band that plays mostly in the shed,.thats fun too.
Cheers guys ,... T
08-14-2012 01:50 AM
AlaskaBat
Re: Band members.

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Originally Posted by brianxtr View Post
i dont like band members for music, better rent a good player, let him do his job do things you want to do better than you can do yourself. Like steely dan/george clinton/david lee roth or other good bands.they collect great people who can play, rent them for one thing a time.no hassle about time/money ideas or what ever.highes quality and just what you want and maybe better than expected.
I may be going out on a limb here, but I'd bet that most of the members here (OP included) don't have the deep pockets that DLR, Clinton or Steely Dan have.

Plus--what's the fun of having hired guns???
A band should communicate, have similar interests and goals, be on the same playing level and just enjoy everything about playing. That's what a GOOD band is.

Everyone likes to get paid to play, but the decent bacon doesn't start coming in until the band is established and they play well enough for the good gigs. It's called paying your dues. Most bands play for free at first just to get out there. Local events, fairs, block parties, school functions, etc.
If the members don't get along--tell them to shape up, or ship out!



08-13-2012 06:47 AM
brianxtr
Re: Band members.

i dont like band members for music, better rent a good player, let him do his job do things you want to do better than you can do yourself. Like steely dan/george clinton/david lee roth or other good bands.they collect great people who can play, rent them for one thing a time.no hassle about time/money ideas or what ever.highes quality and just what you want and maybe better than expected.
08-13-2012 02:38 AM
AlaskaBat
Re: Band members.

Second guitarists are good to have, as they really thicken the sound.
However, that second guitarist needs to know how to play at the same level as everyone else.
Nothing more irritating than having a second guitarist that struggles. You can have a kick ass lead guitarist just shredding away, but if the rhythm guitarist is out of tune, forgot the chords, playing out of key or off tempo--it kills everything that the other musicians are doing. The audience can tell, and will automatically focus on the black sheep.



08-13-2012 12:09 AM
Tommy Deluciano
Re: Band members.

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Originally Posted by Rod Magnum View Post
Having your second guitarist simultaneously fill another role in your band (vocals, keys, etc.) can prove REALLY nice.

They're there with a guitar when they're needed and helping out elsewhere when they're not needed, with no hard feelings!
yep a rhythm guitar player that isnt a wannabe lead guitarist preferably.
for the poll I feel Bass is essential

cheers T
08-12-2012 06:37 PM
TAorama
Re: Band members.

There are about 300 guys on this island who either play guitar and sing solo or w/ one other guy (bass or guitar/uke), and then play to a midi or backing track. Granted, it's Hawaiian tunes or Hawaiian-ized Top 40, so there's not a lot to it in the first place. And they gig all the time. They also all sound the same, and practically every song sounds the same (think Bruno Mars sings the hits).

So CAN you gig with one guy? You bet. But most of these guys are background noise for restaurants and bars where people don't go to actually FOCUS on the band (despite the fact that they crank the hell out of their tiny little PAs - I won't go into Big Kahuna when they have live music - it's unbearable). If you're a BAND, and want people to come to see you play and focus on YOU, a three piece is minimal in my mind. Better with 4 - guitar/drum/vocal/bass. Otherwise it's just boring - Andre Segovia notwithstanding. A 5-piece always has a nice full sound to it, but rarely is it worth having one more guy to try to coordinate with.
08-12-2012 04:58 PM
RyansJem
Re: Band members.

Four piece band, 1 lead guitar, 1 rhythm + vocals, bassist, AND A GOOD DRUMMER! Working with a bad drummer is the most stressful thing ever!
08-12-2012 02:20 AM
Rod Magnum
Re: Band members.

Having your second guitarist simultaneously fill another role in your band (vocals, keys, etc.) can prove REALLY nice.

They're there with a guitar when they're needed and helping out elsewhere when they're not needed, with no hard feelings!
04-06-2012 06:56 AM
Monea
Re: Band members.

I play music like Dredg,and bass just.. it is not just for that style of music,it's useless.
04-05-2012 03:48 PM
Death.by.G-string
Re: Band members.

Bass+Drums,guitar,guitar,vocals.
i dont like key's at all so im happy without them.
Can do without vocals to whilst practicing. bloody singers are always in the way!
04-05-2012 02:29 PM
Alteisen
Re: Band members.

I've always only had 3 piece bands: me on guitar/vocals, with a bass and drums. I'd always imagined one other person as a keyboardist/better vocalist than me. That's all I think a bad needs.
04-03-2012 07:33 PM
mertay
Re: Band members.

Very rare I had good luck with band members, all my life either they were too lazy when no money was involved or too greedy when it was about money. By greedy I mean they didn't care about the music, they were "too professional" to still love music...whatever that means...

Anyway, I hope I don't offend anyone but the bass guitar has always been a band specific instrument for me. It gives depth to music by not only harmony but frequency too. besides live, in a professional recording you have to create lots of layers for a full commercial sound of vocal or guitars if there is no bass. Another nice thing is usually on stage the bass player can move around and entertain the audience very effective if his genre doesn't involve complicated movements.

With simple thought a keyboard can fill in a second guitars place but its always a plus to have another guitar player on stage. He/She can back you up if anything goes wrong+has a similar role of the bass player. Behind the stage another guitarist can really influence you musically.

In an ideal world, I'd rather ditch the vocalist
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