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08-17-2012 02:07 PM
Ke^in
Re: Trem/Frequency Warble

I remember the BEST stores. They always had some sort of comical "Half finished" look.
08-14-2012 11:45 PM
MicJustMic
Re: Trem/Frequency Warble

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Originally Posted by py36 View Post
I think I found the craziest solution.....Im not a trem user but I figured this could be the issue. Maybe stiff springs from no use or something related to that.

After about 30 minutes of using the bar, I also took out the tissue I had stuffed in the springs. Fine tune again and its better. Not all gone but 90% gone....

I think at this point I need to stop being so critical and just enjoy the damn thing...lol.

On a side note...for a 22 year old 750 I am absolutly surprised at how well this keeps tune after some whammy abuse....I feel like im 14 again......
I know what you mean... I have a 1990 RG550 in Coral Mist and I can beat the carp out of the trem if I wanted to and it comes back ever time.

Have to love those old Ibbies. Great guitars.

Glad you've (sort of) worked it out though.
08-14-2012 11:09 PM
py36
Re: Trem/Frequency Warble

I think I found the craziest solution.....Im not a trem user but I figured this could be the issue. Maybe stiff springs from no use or something related to that.

After about 30 minutes of using the bar, I also took out the tissue I had stuffed in the springs. Fine tune again and its better. Not all gone but 90% gone....

I think at this point I need to stop being so critical and just enjoy the damn thing...lol.

On a side note...for a 22 year old 750 I am absolutly surprised at how well this keeps tune after some whammy abuse....I feel like im 14 again......
08-14-2012 10:46 PM
MicJustMic
Re: Trem/Frequency Warble

Try blocking the trem... you said you're a 'hard hitter' and while I'm not a hard hitter, I find that in the lower positions if I play hard it causes the bridge to flutter a bit.

When you have the trem blocked, if you still get the sound, really stuff something thick between the springs while the trem is blocked (that way you can keep good tuning while really making sure the springs are dampened.)

If you STILL hear this phenomena, then you know it's something else resonating.

As usual, check that everything is tight before you even try this stuff. I had a loose strap button vibrating on a guitar and could hear it whenever played without a strap, it added a strange buzz to certain notes/chords ... had me buggy for a few minutes when I realized that it went away with the guitar hanging from a strap... so it's all relevant.

As far as simply being an intonation problem, it well could be. Not that your guitar isn't 'properly' set up, but it's wire and wood, and no guitar is ever perfectly intonated. Some will show this kind of thing, others, even though they aren't 'perfectly' intonated may not show it enough that you notice.

I had a customer bring me a CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP, Harmony that he bought at Best (not Best Buy, BEST... this was a long time ago) and couldn't figure out why some many of the chords were out of tune even though the guitar was in tune. Twelfth fret, nineteenth fret, all over the board, were out. No amount of tuning, leveling... intonating, could fix this guitar. (Of course, it was a whopping $90)

That's an extreme case, but it serves my point.

Anyway, long reply, but I think I covered everything I could think of.
08-14-2012 01:14 PM
py36
Re: Trem/Frequency Warble

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Originally Posted by Rich View Post
I would definitely try muting the springs first.
I will have to do a better job of this. I have thick tissue in between the springs but I am wondering if there could be a slight vibration being cause beyond that (possibly in the springs themselves.. Sounds geeky and overcomplex but it happens. I forgot to mention but this is a 1990 and the edge and the springs are original.

Same reason why intonation relies on a specific string leingth it could be that this chord at the 3rd fret (and its associated liength) is causing some vibrations that bleed through.

Rich, You ever have this issue or heard it...I want to make sure Im being clear and communicating correctly.....if that makes sense....
08-14-2012 12:44 PM
Rich
Re: Trem/Frequency Warble

I would definitely try muting the springs first.
08-14-2012 11:04 AM
py36
Re: Trem/Frequency Warble

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Originally Posted by Ibanez-Mag View Post
Try blocking the trem and see what that does.
Just to eliminate that its not the string moving putting the trem into moving.
Getting the idea that it comes from the two strings moving the most (E and A).

Maybe a to strait neck?
That the strings are lightly touching a fret when moving.

Just guessing.

/Magnus
Good to hear from you Mag, long time no talk.

I thought it could be the string slightly hitting however the purest chord tone and wave I get is the 2nd fret chord and the low e touches a bit more on the fret next to it. I took my fret rocker and the level that was done is spot on so I think that may be ruled out.

Mag, do you get movement on some chords from the trem? Im a hard hitter so that could be factored. Again im a hard hitter and all other chords are fine. Is there the possibility that this could be a sensitive or overly resonant point at the 3rd fet?
08-14-2012 10:58 AM
Ibanez-Mag
Re: Trem/Frequency Warble

Try blocking the trem and see what that does.
Just to eliminate that its not the string moving putting the trem into moving.
Getting the idea that it comes from the two strings moving the most (E and A).

Maybe a to strait neck?
That the strings are lightly touching a fret when moving.

Just guessing.

/Magnus
08-14-2012 10:26 AM
py36
Re: Trem/Frequency Warble

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Originally Posted by The Euphor View Post
Do you play with the tremolo arm in the tremolo? My tremolo bar resonates in some positions (not at all when pointing back to the strap pin where it sits firmer into the holder) with a low C.
I do not.......But thats a good start. If a trem bar resonates and possibly colors the tone of a chord then maybe something else would too.....
08-14-2012 10:20 AM
The Euphor
Re: Trem/Frequency Warble

Do you play with the tremolo arm in the tremolo? My tremolo bar resonates in some positions (not at all when pointing back to the strap pin where it sits firmer into the holder) with a low C.
08-14-2012 10:16 AM
py36
Trem/Frequency Warble

Hey Guys,
Question of the day...Rich, feel free to chime in.

Every Ibanez Ive ever owned with a Lo pro, Edge or Edge pro has one common issue. One power chord using the low E and A on either the 1st, 2nd or 3rd fretted positions have given me a warble like coloured tone to that specific chord. My 1550, 3120, 7620, 550, 570 and now my 750 is doing it. If you hit the chord it will warble a little bit or gives an off wave in the frequency. Not so much like its out of tune but not a clear smooth even wave as when I hit every other chord.

Just so were on the same page, I just had my 750 givin a full fret level and setup by a guy who works on Ibanez's (hes no Rich but....). My pickups are set low. My action is usually set at a bit higher than 4/64 on the bass side which is very high for me. I can get away with it lower but I like the tone higher. Treble side I have it to the floor (in between 1 and 2/32) I have cloth around the springs in the back and yes I have tuned and intonated properly Im using Daddario 10-46 as well.

Now on my 750 it happens to appear on the G power Chord (3rd fret low e 5th fret low a). It can be intermittant and if I really choke up on the chord and get a good grip it wont happen and it will sound really good, no dissonant colour etc...I dont need to choke any other chords to have them ring well.

My rig is high gain and my Pickups are Dimarzios. I dont want to say which kind as I think it will influence. I have had every dimarzio under the sun, high and low output in the above guitars and it still happens.

My Jackson SLSMG with a fixed bridge does not do this. Niether did some of my fixed Ibanez bridges.....

So my question is, could this be some of the following:
  • Springs need to have a rubber tube inserted in them?
  • Sympathetic Vibrations (If so explain the relation to the colour on the chord)
  • This is a common with Edges (all Models) and you guys get this.
I have a very picky ear and this doesnt detract me from my 750 as no guitar is a perfect 10/10. My 750 is a 9/10 except for this one issue. I like to solve things it this may be fun to explore.....

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