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10-02-2012 10:59 PM
jer3d
Re: Do you think the last set of 25th RG's will be Indo or MIJ?

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Originally Posted by mike570 View Post
... if finishing and detailing is the biggest problem, and energy/shipping costs also huge, then I don't see why they don't ship tons of bodies and necks here from Japan for final assembly...
I would think the quality of the Indo Ibanez guitars may continue to improve over time as their craftsman get more experienced.

I know the two or three that I have tried out were overall nice guitars.
10-02-2012 10:23 PM
mike570
Re: Do you think the last set of 25th RG's will be Indo or MIJ?

I don't know how similar the coatings are on an Ibanez than the ones we use on metal but I know for a fact there are probably still more than a few hungry finishing companies out there in the US right now. Probably pretty easy for a few to retool to finish wood guitar bodies too.
10-02-2012 07:37 PM
11racksfx
Re: Do you think the last set of 25th RG's will be Indo or MIJ?

Importing parts don't really face the stiff tariff and they are getting tax break for building the guitar here in the US. Do you think that finishing in Indonesia is better than the US?
10-02-2012 07:03 PM
mike570
Re: Do you think the last set of 25th RG's will be Indo or MIJ?

I thought the same thing and was tempted to post this earlier.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Toyota_Way

I bought a Tacoma in 1996 for $5k more than a Ford Ranger. I sold it in 2010 with 248,000 miles on it while a friend's Ranger died about 3-4 years in. I think Ibanez would want you to buy a guitar or two more in that time but its a testimony to quality. Also, the Tacoma was built by the fine people of North Carolina.
Toyota quality has been slipping a tiny bit lately.
I don't think Ibanez wants to have another go at US production though. I don't know if it's economically feasible but it seems if finishing and detailing is the biggest problem, and energy/shipping costs also huge, then I don't see why they don't ship tons of bodies and necks here from Japan for final assembly and finishing here in the US.
10-02-2012 05:55 PM
11racksfx
Re: Do you think the last set of 25th RG's will be Indo or MIJ?

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Again, my perception might be skewed by lack of details but it looks like the three tier system is a pricing nightmare. How do you justify a Premium being X amount more than a true Indo? How do you justify a Prestige being X amount more than a Premium? How much room is there to adjust? Yeah, I might be a ranting cheapskate but IMO price is a really big deal. I saw somewhere where the average guitar sold before the recession was about $500 and now its like $350. Clue? Yes! Pricing is important. I've actually been looking at the RG921 in black and, while pretty cool, part of me can't get over that it's $50 more than the RG1570 I bought a few years ago. It would be nice if the yen would go back to being like 100-1 with the dollar so this mess would end. I'm sure many at Ibanez would agree. I really feel for Japanese companies. It seems like trying to ice skate uphill.
I feel the same way, I just couldn't justify the Premium pricing when the mark down on the 2010 Prestige 1570 was cheaper. Why don't Ibanez built guitar in America for American market just like Japanese car company, Honda and Toyota. Honda and Toyota built some car here for US market so they can compete with the US car company.
10-02-2012 04:31 PM
mike570
Re: Do you think the last set of 25th RG's will be Indo or MIJ?

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I would agree with this too. They might even just limit the MIJ guitars to the J-Custom line, especially since you can find them in the big box stores now. I wouldn't be surprised if they phased out the Prestige lineup to bump sales of the more expensive J-customs for those who really really really want a MIJ ibby.
Again, my perception might be skewed by lack of details but it looks like the three tier system is a pricing nightmare. How do you justify a Premium being X amount more than a true Indo? How do you justify a Prestige being X amount more than a Premium? How much room is there to adjust? Yeah, I might be a ranting cheapskate but IMO price is a really big deal. I saw somewhere where the average guitar sold before the recession was about $500 and now its like $350. Clue? Yes! Pricing is important. I've actually been looking at the RG921 in black and, while pretty cool, part of me can't get over that it's $50 more than the RG1570 I bought a few years ago. It would be nice if the yen would go back to being like 100-1 with the dollar so this mess would end. I'm sure many at Ibanez would agree. I really feel for Japanese companies. It seems like trying to ice skate uphill.
10-02-2012 10:22 AM
PBGas
Re: Do you think the last set of 25th RG's will be Indo or MIJ?

One of the areas that I found a bit lacking on the Premium Indo series guitars is the lack of finer fretboard edging. They haven't done that on any of the models that I have tried other than my Jem 70V which probably added to it's cost being more than the others (coupled with the better pickups and bridge). It's not a bother but would have given the guitar a bit more of a broken in feel. Regardless of that, my RG827QMZ is a fantastic guitar that plays and sounds great.
09-29-2012 02:07 PM
silverctr
Re: Do you think the last set of 25th RG's will be Indo or MIJ?

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Great point. And as someone outside of a house with no windows I can only guess what's going on inside. All the same I see that 1 USD is about 77 JPY today and I think this is really hurting Hoshino. Does this mean a little less time is spent on QC to get units out the door as opposed to what was done 5-7 years ago? I don't know. I do know that I've seen a few more Prestige guitars that don't seem as well done as earlier counterparts. Maybe that's me. Maybe I've had a spot of bad luck and ran into a few bad units and my perception isn't fact. I don't know. I just know what my eyes tell me.
My eyes also tell me Premiums are good but not all that as the marketing suggests. Is a Prestige still worth more than a Premium? Yes! How much more? I don't know.
I also wouldn't be shocked if we end up seeing maybe 2-3 Prestige models next year and a bulk of the mainstream guitars go to Jakarta. Hell, I wouldn't be shocked if ALL Prestige/Premium production went to Jakarta. The currency issue is that riciculous and we're STILL in the worst economic downturn in three generations.
I should add, sos I'm not pegged as a hater, that I'd like to see things improve for the MIJ line. MIJ RG's are the guitars I fell in love with 23 years ago and that I still play to this day. I want them to stick around for a very very long time!
I would agree with this too. They might even just limit the MIJ guitars to the J-Custom line, especially since you can find them in the big box stores now. I wouldn't be surprised if they phased out the Prestige lineup to bump sales of the more expensive J-customs for those who really really really want a MIJ ibby.
09-29-2012 12:13 PM
Jamm'n Jimmy
Re: Do you think the last set of 25th RG's will be Indo or MIJ?

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Originally Posted by RGTFanatic View Post
It happens constantly here in the "burbs". Craigslist is overflowing with RG350's around here, as well as SL-3's, DK3's, and the like from Jackson and Schecter. Of course, around here, every child is "special" and deserves more than entry level guitars.
Yep, Same here. I live in the Doctor, Attorney, Denist capital of the world I sware. Tons of it on craigslist.
09-29-2012 10:07 AM
RGTFanatic
Re: Do you think the last set of 25th RG's will be Indo or MIJ?

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Great point. And as someone outside of a house with no windows I can only guess what's going on inside. All the same I see that 1 USD is about 77 JPY today and I think this is really hurting Hoshino. Does this mean a little less time is spent on QC to get units out the door as opposed to what was done 5-7 years ago? I don't know. I do know that I've seen a few more Prestige guitars that don't seem as well done as earlier counterparts. Maybe that's me. Maybe I've had a spot of bad luck and ran into a few bad units and my perception isn't fact. I don't know. I just know what my eyes tell me.
My eyes also tell me Premiums are good but not all that as the marketing suggests. Is a Prestige still worth more than a Premium? Yes! How much more? I don't know.
I also wouldn't be shocked if we end up seeing maybe 2-3 Prestige models next year and a bulk of the mainstream guitars go to Jakarta. Hell, I wouldn't be shocked if ALL Prestige/Premium production went to Jakarta. The currency issue is that riciculous and we're STILL in the worst economic downturn in three generations.
I should add, sos I'm not pegged as a hater, that I'd like to see things improve for the MIJ line. MIJ RG's are the guitars I fell in love with 23 years ago and that I still play to this day. I want them to stick around for a very very long time!
I'll echo this completely..........Just wish I'd written it.
09-29-2012 10:06 AM
RGTFanatic
Re: Do you think the last set of 25th RG's will be Indo or MIJ?

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Originally Posted by RyansJem View Post
This is a strange and nieve comment, sorry to say this but i highly doubt people would pay 400-1000 for a entry level guitar.
It happens constantly here in the "burbs". Craigslist is overflowing with RG350's around here, as well as SL-3's, DK3's, and the like from Jackson and Schecter. Of course, around here, every child is "special" and deserves more than entry level guitars.
09-27-2012 01:57 PM
jer3d
Re: Do you think the last set of 25th RG's will be Indo or MIJ?

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Originally Posted by RyansJem View Post
This is a strange and nieve comment, sorry to say this but i highly doubt people would pay 400-1000 for a entry level guitar.
Pardon my naivete, I'm just trying to keep this thread I started from becoming a Indo bashing thread.
09-27-2012 01:21 PM
rnovak
Re: Do you think the last set of 25th RG's will be Indo or MIJ?

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Originally Posted by RyansJem View Post
This is a strange and nieve comment, sorry to say this but i highly doubt people would pay 400-1000 for a entry level guitar.
I agree, especially when Ibanez has their Korea lineup, like the RG120, for beginners.
09-27-2012 12:54 PM
RyansJem
Re: Do you think the last set of 25th RG's will be Indo or MIJ?

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Originally Posted by jer3d View Post
I expect they are made to be entry level guitars for the people moving from Guitar Hero to a real guitar.
This is a strange and nieve comment, sorry to say this but i highly doubt people would pay 400-1000 for a entry level guitar.
09-27-2012 12:25 PM
mike570
Re: Do you think the last set of 25th RG's will be Indo or MIJ?

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Originally Posted by khaas View Post
The big boys tend to dumb down thier import products so they don't compete with themselves. I suspect there's a little of that going on at Ibanez with the Premiums...
Great point. And as someone outside of a house with no windows I can only guess what's going on inside. All the same I see that 1 USD is about 77 JPY today and I think this is really hurting Hoshino. Does this mean a little less time is spent on QC to get units out the door as opposed to what was done 5-7 years ago? I don't know. I do know that I've seen a few more Prestige guitars that don't seem as well done as earlier counterparts. Maybe that's me. Maybe I've had a spot of bad luck and ran into a few bad units and my perception isn't fact. I don't know. I just know what my eyes tell me.
My eyes also tell me Premiums are good but not all that as the marketing suggests. Is a Prestige still worth more than a Premium? Yes! How much more? I don't know.
I also wouldn't be shocked if we end up seeing maybe 2-3 Prestige models next year and a bulk of the mainstream guitars go to Jakarta. Hell, I wouldn't be shocked if ALL Prestige/Premium production went to Jakarta. The currency issue is that riciculous and we're STILL in the worst economic downturn in three generations.
I should add, sos I'm not pegged as a hater, that I'd like to see things improve for the MIJ line. MIJ RG's are the guitars I fell in love with 23 years ago and that I still play to this day. I want them to stick around for a very very long time!
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