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01-18-2013 03:27 PM
ashbass
Re: it's all about the hunt. GAS

I used to tell my wife when she complained about too many guitars or too much time with the guitars that "at least I'm not into cars, guns, or golf." In the early 2000s I was one of the first guys on ebay parting out Ibanez guitars. Except for the guitars to be parted, I only bought guitars with profit money from parting guitars or flipping guitars and pedals. I've had quite a rotation of guitars in that time and would never have been able to touch and feel and play so many if it were not for the parting money. I can say as far as gas goes that I am certain that I do not want guitar A or guitar B because I've had one and it didn't move me. I figured that eating up to $50 reselling a guitar was a fair enough price for piece of mind about it.

Now I don't buy and sell anymore really. I'm pretty sure that if I sell one of my guitars now I'll never get another like it. Not just because of uniqueness, but because of money. Today, dropping 2k for a Gibson 57 Goldtop Reissue is laughable for me. If I sell the one I have now, I doubt I'll ever get another. I have six electrics now and have stopped worrying about having only mint Edges or whatever other parts. A ding or scratch now get repaired as best I can where a few years ago the guitar would have been replaced with a cleaner version.

So I've settled on guitars (I do need to check out a Gibson/Epi Explorer, though), and basement hobbist amps, and pedals/multi-effects. Now I spend time playing, tweaking setups, and modding pedals. Ha, ha. I feel like such an old man.
01-15-2013 12:53 PM
Takin' a Ride
Re: it's all about the hunt. GAS

Another mine has a really loaded E90 335i with the M Sport package and CSL knock-off wheels. That's a really nice car. But I "built" a car like his on the BMW website and was fairly shocked at the price.
01-15-2013 12:29 PM
dratsum
Re: it's all about the hunt. GAS

I work with someone who has a new M5. It's really nice, but it is NOT $30,000 better then my E90 M3. The funny thing is, as soon as I drove my M3 home, I was looking at other cars. For me, it's just like guitars. At least half the fun is hunting for (and finding) the next one.
01-15-2013 09:07 AM
Takin' a Ride
Re: it's all about the hunt. GAS

A few of my friends have E36 M3's. Personally I've always liked the E46 but they all hate the E46 for some reason.

The new M5...damn.
01-15-2013 04:05 AM
dratsum
Re: it's all about the hunt. GAS

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I was really big into modding cars for about ten years. Then I ended up with a car that was such a monster that it had minor issues always in need of attention and frankly was no longer fun to drive. Tip: never put a big turbo on a FWD car. 350 whp in a 2500 lb car sounds like fun, but not when you can barely keep it going straight down the road.

I lost a TON of money when I finally sold that thing. No more.
I am hugely into cars - I've got an M3 right now and I hope to replace that with a new 911 soon. I've always liked the idea of modding cars, but I could never see the value in it (personal value that is). As far as guitars go, I've always been into the collecting aspect - I still have almost every guitar I've ever purchased. That said, two days after acquiring one I've wanted for ever (Jem777DY), I was looking for the next one. The hunt, and the purchase (the catch?) are definitely just as entertaining as having the collection.
01-14-2013 11:41 PM
psychoshredder
Re: it's all about the hunt. GAS

lucky me, i'm not really into cars.

other than guitars, I'm a big military enthusiasm.
I love jet fighters since I was a kid, end up collecting and building model kits. it was a long time ago until i given up that model kits.
I love rifles, lucky we are not allowed having firearms here, so end up collecting replica ( air soft guns), still have 3 of it. before I had like 5-7..
airsoft gun is like guitars, besides the unit, we love to modify it. adding scope, adding rails, and so on..
all those hobbies are money sucker, and never been a money maker for me.
01-14-2013 10:53 PM
satchmo72
Re: it's all about the hunt. GAS

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Originally Posted by Takin' a Ride View Post
I was really big into modding cars for about ten years. Then I ended up with a car that was such a monster that it had minor issues always in need of attention and frankly was no longer fun to drive. Tip: never put a big turbo on a FWD car. 350 whp in a 2500 lb car sounds like fun, but not when you can barely keep it going straight down the road.

I lost a TON of money when I finally sold that thing. No more.
Agreed. I am kind of done with cars also. I have had muscle cars since I was 20, they are money pits. Try building a drag car from a 75 Duster or buying a 97 Viper. Makes my PRS seem cheap in money to fun ratio.
01-14-2013 06:06 PM
Takin' a Ride
Re: it's all about the hunt. GAS

I was really big into modding cars for about ten years. Then I ended up with a car that was such a monster that it had minor issues always in need of attention and frankly was no longer fun to drive. Tip: never put a big turbo on a FWD car. 350 whp in a 2500 lb car sounds like fun, but not when you can barely keep it going straight down the road.

I lost a TON of money when I finally sold that thing. No more.
01-14-2013 05:10 PM
satchmo72
Re: it's all about the hunt. GAS

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Your original comments were interesting and are what got me to reply to the thread. Mostly because it doesn't characterize me at all.

When I decided I wanted to start actually collecting guitars, I had a certain list in my head of what I wanted. That list got added to over time as I became exposed to more stuff I wasn't previously aware of. Thankfully I've had the blessing financially to be able to indulge my hobby.

But I also really empathize with your feeling of excitement of hunting for something new. I love doing it as well, even though I'm down to looking for basically one particular thing and could search fruitlessly for a long time before I find it. I also really love tearing down a new guitar, cleaning it and setting it up, possibly more than I like playing.

But in the end I've personally found that aspect of the hobby to be distracting. Since my collection is close to "done" in my eyes, I've gotten back much more into playing. To me I've found that different, but equally enjoyable. I certainly don't enjoy playing some of my guitars as much as others, but it gives me a chance to periodically play them all and remind myself which ones I really like and why.

I've always considered collecting guitars to be no different than collecting art. I have absolutely no use for a large collection of extremely similar guitars. But you don't collect art to use, you collect it to have and appreciate.
LOL I was writing my reply and didn't see yours until I hit submit.

I have a list of things I would like to have to just have but doing that limits the other part of the hobby for me and I would rather play and buy than appreciate right now. I would probably indulge myself more but I have a lot of things I like to do. Cycling/Triathlons, Shooting, Guitar, Cars, RC Cars... Jack of all hobbies, master of none.

Our thoughts are very much the same, you are just on a different phase right now.
01-14-2013 04:48 PM
satchmo72
Re: it's all about the hunt. GAS

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Originally Posted by Takin' a Ride View Post
This goes along with what I'm saying. I see a lot of people on here say they wish they could have a Jem, but they lose a bunch of money over time churning less expensive guitars. $100-200 here and there adds up. The could have had that Jem if they hadn't lost all that money. I wasn't specifically talking about you, just commenting.
J, NP, i understood what you were saying. I just finally figured out that I am not after a holy grail like a JEM or JS10th or anything like that. I'm not after any one guitar and then I'm done kind of thing, I buy them, clean them up if I have to, play them for a bit and move on. The hobby for me isn't just the guitar itself. My wife said I like shopping, I do, these are my shoes.

My PRS days are numbered I think already, the CU24 guitar is beautiful, built like a tank and sounds pretty good but my custom Herc is better in almost every way and I find myself gravitating towards it more than the CU24. Couple that with the fact of how much a new PRS cost and how it limits my shopping ability. Buying new was a mistake, it's what I THOUGHT I wanted but I regret it now. Its a $2700 guitar that I would be lucky to get $2100 for and it's only 3 months old. I WILL NOT take that kind of loss.

It's a 50/50 split between guitar playing/recording and guitar shopping/restoring.

I'm happy now that I understand what the hobby means to me.
01-14-2013 04:26 PM
Takin' a Ride
Re: it's all about the hunt. GAS

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I also figured out that a big part of this hobby for me is the hunt, not always the catch either as some guitars dont even make it a couple of days in my possession. I like trying new guitars, I dont know that I am looking for one certain sound in particular most times. I used to think I was looking for that elusive "one," I really dont think it exists for me though. Mostly because I bail on things quickly or I start nitpicking because the hunt is over and it's time for a new hunt.

I am a horrible collector because I am OCD and just cant have something I am not using lying around. Sell one to buy another kind of thing.
Your original comments were interesting and are what got me to reply to the thread. Mostly because it doesn't characterize me at all.

When I decided I wanted to start actually collecting guitars, I had a certain list in my head of what I wanted. That list got added to over time as I became exposed to more stuff I wasn't previously aware of. Thankfully I've had the blessing financially to be able to indulge my hobby.

But I also really empathize with your feeling of excitement of hunting for something new. I love doing it as well, even though I'm down to looking for basically one particular thing and could search fruitlessly for a long time before I find it. I also really love tearing down a new guitar, cleaning it and setting it up, possibly more than I like playing.

But in the end I've personally found that aspect of the hobby to be distracting. Since my collection is close to "done" in my eyes, I've gotten back much more into playing. To me I've found that different, but equally enjoyable. I certainly don't enjoy playing some of my guitars as much as others, but it gives me a chance to periodically play them all and remind myself which ones I really like and why.

I've always considered collecting guitars to be no different than collecting art. I have absolutely no use for a large collection of extremely similar guitars. But you don't collect art to use, you collect it to have and appreciate.
01-14-2013 04:10 PM
Takin' a Ride
Re: it's all about the hunt. GAS

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It's why I never bought a JS Blackdog, Chromie, JS90 or JEM for that matter. Too much money tied up for something to sit in a case or be played infrequently cuz I might hurt it.
This goes along with what I'm saying. I see a lot of people on here say they wish they could have a Jem, but they lose a bunch of money over time churning less expensive guitars. $100-200 here and there adds up. The could have had that Jem if they hadn't lost all that money. I wasn't specifically talking about you, just commenting.

I've bought and sold a large number of guitars over the past roughly five years and I'd say I'm just on the good side of breaking even. I've lost some money for sure on some guitars, but it hasn't been Jems. Jems are where I've turned almost all my profits, which has ultimately put me in the black. If you're smart about buying them, it isn't tough to make a few hundred dollars if you decide you want to get rid of it.
01-14-2013 03:42 PM
satchmo72
Re: it's all about the hunt. GAS

I feel the same as GDT does to an extent. It is part of the game, the cost for wanting to try out a bunch of stuff. I also do not overpay for what I buy either. That way, even if I do sell for what I got it for, I'm only out shipping and shipping from work is fairly cheap.

I am regretting buying the PRS at this point and tying up so much cash in one guitar, especially knowing how I am about guitars. It's why I never bought a JS Blackdog, Chromie, JS90 or JEM for that matter. Too much money tied up for something to sit in a case or be played infrequently cuz I might hurt it. I like to clean them, I like learning how they should be setup, I like the fact that I have met some great guys that I would not have met unless we had dealings together.

It's not all about the money.
01-14-2013 03:29 PM
GDTetc
Re: it's all about the hunt. GAS

Losing money is part of the game though, haha. I'm OK with losing some money for the fun and excitement of having new toys...I HATE taking a big loss on bad gear though. If I'm going to lose $100 on a deal, I want to have gotten $200 worth of fun before I let it go. Nothing worse than having money tied up in something you don't even like.

"I spent half my money on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The other half I wasted."
01-14-2013 02:43 PM
Takin' a Ride
Re: it's all about the hunt. GAS

What blows my mind is how much money you stand to lose by churning through mid-priced guitars, due to the high transaction costs as a percentage of the price of the guitar.

For example, let's say you buy a $400 guitar and pay $50 to ship it, then quickly decide to move on from it. Even if you get the same $400 out of it, you're often eating eBay and Paypal fees. You need to get more like $475 to cover all the transaction fees. If you paid market price in the first place, you aren't likely to get that.

What I see more often is that the person wants something new so badly that they take a big hit on the guitar just to move it and get the cash. I feel like if you do that a number of times, pretty soon you're up to the price of a really nice guitar of piece of equipment, just in lost transaction costs.
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