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05-14-2014 01:00 PM
RGTFanatic
Re: Dimarzio Pickup Orientation

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Originally Posted by supersoul View Post
I don't mean right or wrong in terms of sonic nuances. I mean correct way in terms of consistency with the wiring diagrams. If you follow the wiring diagrams provided by Ibanez and DiMarzio you have to flip the neck pickup around to get the standard inner coil splitting. Of course you are right that you could swap the hot and ground on the neck pickup but that's not how the diagrams are drawn and should you ever decide to have one switching alternative that includes neck and bridge in humbucking mode they would be out of phase. I think to keep track of the wiring it's useful to actually stick to the diagrams... and correct pickup orientation to achieve what the diagram suggests. But maybe i am just being german... :-)
I'll agree with you here. I think for the average player/modder, sticking with the original diagrams is best. A person really has to know how pickups work to have the freedom of "extra choices".

FWIW, since there's no option to run just the neck and bridge pups on an H-S-H config with a 5-way.... they'll never be out of phase. This is also why you need an SC2502n switch when working with an H-H config.
05-14-2014 07:12 AM
supersoul
Re: Dimarzio Pickup Orientation

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Originally Posted by RGTFanatic View Post
There's still no correct orientation even with an H-S-H. If you prefer how your pickup sounds with the cable exiting toward the neck you just want to wire it in reverse to keep both inner coils on in positions 2 and 4.
I don't mean right or wrong in terms of sonic nuances. I mean correct way in terms of consistency with the wiring diagrams. If you follow the wiring diagrams provided by Ibanez and DiMarzio you have to flip the neck pickup around to get the standard inner coil splitting. Of course you are right that you could swap the hot and ground on the neck pickup but that's not how the diagrams are drawn and should you ever decide to have one switching alternative that includes neck and bridge in humbucking mode they would be out of phase. I think to keep track of the wiring it's useful to actually stick to the diagrams... and correct pickup orientation to achieve what the diagram suggests. But maybe i am just being german... :-)
05-13-2014 08:31 PM
RGTFanatic
Re: Dimarzio Pickup Orientation

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Originally Posted by supersoul View Post
If you follow the wiring instructions for H-S-H with coil tapping there is of course a correct and wrong orientation for the pickups. On DiMarzios the wire always exits at the bottom of the south-polarity coil which means that if you tap the coils by shorting the black and white cables to ground you access the north-polarity coil. So depending on which coils you want active in split mode you have to consider orientation of the pickup to match neck and bridge humbuckers. I wonder wether DiMarzio considers this in their documentation about orientation: standard splitting on JEMs and RGs is always the inner coils which would mean South-North for the neck and North-South for the bridge pickup.
I just realized this myself as I was looking for infos about this topic as it's not really obviously mentioned in any DiMarzio or Ibanez wiring documentation (you kind of see it in the Ibanez diagram but it's a detail that slips attention easily: the cable on the neck pickup comes from the top left corner and the cable for the bridge pickup from the bottom right corner of the baseplate).
There's still no correct orientation even with an H-S-H. If you prefer how your pickup sounds with the cable exiting toward the neck you just want to wire it in reverse to keep both inner coils on in positions 2 and 4.
05-13-2014 06:01 PM
supersoul
Re: Dimarzio Pickup Orientation

If you follow the wiring instructions for H-S-H with coil tapping there is of course a correct and wrong orientation for the pickups. On DiMarzios the wire always exits at the bottom of the south-polarity coil which means that if you tap the coils by shorting the black and white cables to ground you access the north-polarity coil. So depending on which coils you want active in split mode you have to consider orientation of the pickup to match neck and bridge humbuckers. I wonder wether DiMarzio considers this in their documentation about orientation: standard splitting on JEMs and RGs is always the inner coils which would mean South-North for the neck and North-South for the bridge pickup.
I just realized this myself as I was looking for infos about this topic as it's not really obviously mentioned in any DiMarzio or Ibanez wiring documentation (you kind of see it in the Ibanez diagram but it's a detail that slips attention easily: the cable on the neck pickup comes from the top left corner and the cable for the bridge pickup from the bottom right corner of the baseplate).
04-09-2014 10:09 AM
newblues
Re: Dimarzio Pickup Orientation

LMAO at this thread, I recently got a set of dimarzios for my project and it didn't even occur to me to check which way they should go in, i just put them in the way they came out the box and they sounded awesome, but god damn it, i'm now thinking should i turn them round to see what they sound like, i just assumed that the pole pieces face the strings, i'll try them the other way with the pole pieces facing the pickup cavitys lol. In all seriousness dude put them in the way you think sounds best, thats what counts in the end.
04-09-2014 04:54 AM
Wolfram
Re: Dimarzio Pickup Orientation

Wow, you would spin out using one of my guitars - I have a neck pickup in the bridge position

The penny has just dropped for me too, doing things upside down and all around must explain why Jimi Hendrix sounded so bad........

Hey, each to their own....

-Wolfram
04-08-2014 09:59 PM
RGTFanatic
Re: Dimarzio Pickup Orientation

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Originally Posted by AttackConquer View Post
did you not even ready my post and the logic behind it?
FWIW.... all 6 pole pieces on each coil are identical as well as the single magnet that runs the length of pickup. In simpler terms, a pickup coil is the same on both ends.

If you were to remove a single coil from a humbucker, turn it 180 and screw it back on it will be identical to what you started with.
04-08-2014 05:45 PM
LonePhantom
Re: Dimarzio Pickup Orientation

There was no logic behind your post. The pickups are designed to be installed either way, that's' the way it is. There is no one specific way that is the correct way. You install it in the way that sounds best to you.

You really are reading way too much into this. DiMarzio are happy to tell customers that each way can work great, and you pick which one works best for you personally. It's as simple as that.

I get the obsessive compulsive thing you've got going there. I can get like that with some things. But in all seriousness, you should be able to identify your preferred way well before you've spent hours in the mixing process.
04-08-2014 05:43 PM
Swirltop
Re: Dimarzio Pickup Orientation

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Originally Posted by AttackConquer View Post
did you not even ready my post and the logic behind it?
There is no logic behind your post... None
04-08-2014 05:35 PM
AttackConquer
Re: Dimarzio Pickup Orientation

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Originally Posted by Swirltop View Post
You really don't get it do you? There is no correct orientation or intended orientation with Dimarzios. You can install the pickup the way it sounds the best to you; period.
did you not even ready my post and the logic behind it?
04-08-2014 09:11 AM
Swirltop
Re: Dimarzio Pickup Orientation

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Originally Posted by AttackConquer View Post
WOOOW. Thanks everyone for the responses. I never expected this amount of feedback. My apologies for not responding. I was out of the country for a few weeks without internet.
Anyway, I'll go with the cable exit towards the bridge based on your responses. And the reason I'm so anal about it is because I'm trying to record mixes solely through my Pod HD connected to my PC. The Breed and Evo2 are both significantly brighter with the cable exit towards the bridge when the pickup selector is in the bridge position.I want the pickups installed as intended so that I can guarantee that the pickup direction is not automatically going to destroy my mixes if installed the way it wasn't intended to be. I know dimarzio says either way doesn't matter, but I feel as though they're just saying this because some people may find beauty in either orientation. Im sure Dimarzio engineered the pickups with a standard orientation in mind because they have to engineer the pickup so that one coil compensates for the tinnier sound closer to the bridge while the other coil compensates for the less tinnier sound further from the bridge. Also, Im not sure if this is a factor, but in one orientation, the low E string, which has a higher output, is above one set of adjustable screw coils. If you flip the orientation, the adjustable screw coils that were once under the low E string are now under the high E string, which has lower output. This is why I want to use the orientation that the pickup was engineered for. So that all these factors are accounted for.
I know this is being completely overly anal, but at this point I see no reason not to go with Seymour Duncan for my next pickup purchase. They sell so many pickups that are equally on par with Dimarzio, but I gain the additional closure of knowing my pickup is installed with the orientation that was intended based on the logo.

Additional note: There's a few threads on here where people were completely turned off by their Dimarzio pickup in one orientation, but when they turned it to the other direction, it sounded awesome. In my case, it's more a matter of one orientation is brighter and the other is fatter and both are usable tones. However, I'd strongly prefer to use the correct orientation because I don't want to spend hours on a mix only for it to turn out sounding badly because the pickup was installed with the unintended orientation. If I have the closure of knowing it's installed with the correct orientation, I no longer have to question if the problems in my mixes are due to the pickup orientation and can focus on other factors that may be contributing to problems in my mixes.
You really don't get it do you? There is no correct orientation or intended orientation with Dimarzios. You can install the pickup the way it sounds the best to you; period.
04-07-2014 10:27 PM
AttackConquer
Re: Dimarzio Pickup Orientation

WOOOW. Thanks everyone for the responses. I never expected this amount of feedback. My apologies for not responding. I was out of the country for a few weeks without internet.
Anyway, I'll go with the cable exit towards the bridge based on your responses. And the reason I'm so anal about it is because I'm trying to record mixes solely through my Pod HD connected to my PC. The Breed and Evo2 are both significantly brighter with the cable exit towards the bridge when the pickup selector is in the bridge position.I want the pickups installed as intended so that I can guarantee that the pickup direction is not automatically going to destroy my mixes if installed the way it wasn't intended to be. I know dimarzio says either way doesn't matter, but I feel as though they're just saying this because some people may find beauty in either orientation. Im sure Dimarzio engineered the pickups with a standard orientation in mind because they have to engineer the pickup so that one coil compensates for the tinnier sound closer to the bridge while the other coil compensates for the less tinnier sound further from the bridge. Also, Im not sure if this is a factor, but in one orientation, the low E string, which has a higher output, is above one set of adjustable screw coils. If you flip the orientation, the adjustable screw coils that were once under the low E string are now under the high E string, which has lower output. This is why I want to use the orientation that the pickup was engineered for. So that all these factors are accounted for.
I know this is being completely overly anal, but at this point I see no reason not to go with Seymour Duncan for my next pickup purchase. They sell so many pickups that are equally on par with Dimarzio, but I gain the additional closure of knowing my pickup is installed with the orientation that was intended based on the logo.

Additional note: There's a few threads on here where people were completely turned off by their Dimarzio pickup in one orientation, but when they turned it to the other direction, it sounded awesome. In my case, it's more a matter of one orientation is brighter and the other is fatter and both are usable tones. However, I'd strongly prefer to use the correct orientation because I don't want to spend hours on a mix only for it to turn out sounding badly because the pickup was installed with the unintended orientation. If I have the closure of knowing it's installed with the correct orientation, I no longer have to question if the problems in my mixes are due to the pickup orientation and can focus on other factors that may be contributing to problems in my mixes.
04-01-2014 09:26 PM
LonePhantom
Re: Dimarzio Pickup Orientation

Funny how someone joins, asks a question, gets a heap of responses, which they probably don't like, and then don't Bother to post back???
04-01-2014 10:12 AM
RGTFanatic
Re: Dimarzio Pickup Orientation

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Originally Posted by j.arledge View Post
There is no right or wrong orientation, but its a matter of preference for such a subtle difference, if you can hear the difference at all.

NUFF said........
04-01-2014 07:10 AM
kissTheApex
Re: Dimarzio Pickup Orientation

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Originally Posted by Swirltop View Post
The neck pickup is reversed so the inside coils are on when tapped...
aaah.. Now it makes sense... thanks
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