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11-26-2014 04:36 PM
andriusd
Re: Neck question: RG 1570 vs ESP M-II

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Originally Posted by LowYaw View Post
what i want to say is, do your best to find and try to play the actual neck type you could end up buying. judging from your statemsnt about "a flatter neck wouldn't hurt" i presume that you're still not sure about what you like
That's true. But I know that I'd like a slightly slimmer-feeling neck than the one that's ony my current guitar
11-26-2014 10:18 AM
LowYaw
Re: Neck question: RG 1570 vs ESP M-II

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Originally Posted by andriusd View Post
Actually, I have an Edwards Snapper, it has a "Thin U" shape, it's flatter than Fender "Modern C" and that's about right for me; no need to go flatter (although it wouldn't hurt either, I think). And I assume soft V must be even less flat than a "Modern C". At least to me Modern C felt kind of flatter than soft V because of the lack of that edge of V. But I'm no expert in these things
it's pretty difficult to learn about neck shapes and profiles in this sort of theory. for example, i'm partial to wizard 2 neck profile and it's definitely a challenge each time I switch guitars. i heard alot of good things about Suhr's Modern elliptocal, but there's definitely a transition / adaptation period while switching from Ibanez to Suhr.
what i want to say is, do your best to find and try to play the actual neck type you could end up buying. judging from your statemsnt about "a flatter neck wouldn't hurt" i presume that you're still not sure about what you like
11-24-2014 07:28 AM
MatiasTolkki
Re: Neck question: RG 1570 vs ESP M-II

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Originally Posted by andriusd View Post
Thanks for the story . I would probably just buy a used Japanese Jackson, but I need to have a bolt-on guitar (so that I could just take the neck off and safely transport it travelling on a plane).

Could you please give an approximate figure of how much E-II M-II cost in Japan?

Wouldn't the difference in neck profile and fretboard radius make a difference to you?
I won't approximate the cost of an E-II M-II. Here's the price range on this model:

http://www.kurosawagakki.com/items/detail/271234.html

http://www.ikebe-gakki.com/ec/pro/disp/1/348514

Basically the prices are the same after tax. The cost about as much as the old RG3250s or the more recent lower end J customs (but even those JCs still cost around 210,000).

I have a Carvin JB200C, and all of my Ibbies have different neck shapes. I have an Original Wizard, an MIJ Wizard II, 2 prestige wizards (2009 and a 2012) and a 1998 Wizard. Having different feels doesn't bother me in the least

The M-II is probably my favorite ESP guitar, just on looks and playability. However, the price is WAY too prohibitive to make it worth my while to buy one. Used Ibbies are DIRT cheap depending on the store so I'd rather hunt down those than spend 2 grand on a Non-Carvin (JB200 is one of the greatest gutitars ever made imo, blows away ANY M-II).
11-24-2014 07:27 AM
psychoshredder
Re: Neck question: RG 1570 vs ESP M-II

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Originally Posted by andriusd View Post
Actually, I have an Edwards Snapper, it has a "Thin U" shape, it's flatter than Fender "Modern C" and that's about right for me; no need to go flatter (although it wouldn't hurt either, I think). And I assume soft V must be even less flat than a "Modern C". At least to me Modern C felt kind of flatter than soft V because of the lack of that edge of V. But I'm no expert in these things
yup, the spec says 'thin U' on the M-II CTM, but compared it to any ibanez with wizard neck, Ibanez still feel flatter in the back.
11-24-2014 07:24 AM
andriusd
Re: Neck question: RG 1570 vs ESP M-II

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I just remember, If you want flat back neck, more like a D shape?
My (late) Caparison TAT felt like one.
Actually, I have an Edwards Snapper, it has a "Thin U" shape, it's flatter than Fender "Modern C" and that's about right for me; no need to go flatter (although it wouldn't hurt either, I think). And I assume soft V must be even less flat than a "Modern C". At least to me Modern C felt kind of flatter than soft V because of the lack of that edge of V. But I'm no expert in these things
11-24-2014 07:21 AM
andriusd
Re: Neck question: RG 1570 vs ESP M-II

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Originally Posted by MatiasTolkki View Post
The M-II DX is only like 20,000-30,000 yen cheaper btw.
According to ESP Japan website, the difference is actually 80,000 yen. So does that mean that the prices listed on the website are what is referred to as MSRP on US websites and that a 425,000 yen ESP is actually sold for less in Japanese shops? How much less then? What's the "street" price of those expensive Japanese M-IIs?
11-24-2014 07:20 AM
psychoshredder
Re: Neck question: RG 1570 vs ESP M-II

I just remember, If you want flat back neck, more like a D shape?
My (late) Caparison TAT felt like one.
11-24-2014 07:15 AM
psychoshredder
Re: Neck question: RG 1570 vs ESP M-II

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Never would have thought that a Standard series M-II could have a (soft) V-shaped neck. I am looking for a flatter feeling (on the back) neck. I assume that soft V shape on your M-II has something to do with the CTM thing?
that..... I'm not so sure.
But I can tell you the neck on my M-II CTM is confy, fast ( even at 305mm radius), and narrower.
11-24-2014 07:12 AM
andriusd
Re: Neck question: RG 1570 vs ESP M-II

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I have a story (it may not be applicable to you but something to think about):
Thanks for the story . I would probably just buy a used Japanese Jackson, but I need to have a bolt-on guitar (so that I could just take the neck off and safely transport it travelling on a plane).

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Originally Posted by MatiasTolkki View Post
However, they are INSANELY expensive here AND even the E-II line is priced in the J custom range. At that price, i'd save a for a couple more months and just buy another Carvin JB200, or find some really sweet Japan market Ibanezes (my 685 only costing me 550 USD, and my 580 only costing 200 USD with trade-ins).
Could you please give an approximate figure of how much E-II M-II cost in Japan?


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Originally Posted by MatiasTolkki View Post
or find some really sweet Japan market Ibanezes (my 685 only costing me 550 USD, and my 580 only costing 200 USD with trade-ins).
Wouldn't the difference in neck profile and fretboard radius make a difference to you?
11-24-2014 07:08 AM
MatiasTolkki
Re: Neck question: RG 1570 vs ESP M-II

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Same with the SS ( Standard Series) M-II bolt on is maybe around 200-300 bucks cheaper compared to the neck thru.

Again, I'm comparing it with dollar to dollar , for example :
The SS M-II bolt on with duncans is around 1100-1300 here.
with the same 1100/1300, you can get ibanez RG 655.
the M-II is equipped with original floyd rose, CTS pots, CRL switch, switchcraft jack.
Well Ibanez..... ? you know.

not saying the parts in Ibanez is inferior than ESP, but I'd guess you got the point.
and the built quality of the SS ESP is not bad after all.

yes, you may get lemon among those too, but don't we also sometimes got lemon with ibanez?
I can't figure out for the life of me why ESP is so expensive here. Had I been in the US, I probably would have bought an M-II because of my Timo Tolkki fanboyism Ibanez is so competitively priced here yet they put no effort in the Japanese market, and ESP are ripoffs yet everyone uses em. Go figure

Also, I've never seen a standard series ESP here. I guess all of them come out of Korea (grassroots, edwards, LTD) or the Custom shop only.

I haven't actually had a lemon with my Ibbies (YET, even my Indo 350 isn't horrible).
11-24-2014 07:06 AM
andriusd
Re: Neck question: RG 1570 vs ESP M-II

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Originally Posted by psychoshredder View Post
yes, mine is standard series.
Never would have thought that a Standard series M-II could have a (soft) V-shaped neck. I am looking for a flatter feeling (on the back) neck. I assume that soft V shape on your M-II has something to do with the CTM thing?
11-24-2014 07:01 AM
psychoshredder
Re: Neck question: RG 1570 vs ESP M-II

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Originally Posted by MatiasTolkki View Post
The M-II DX is only like 20,000-30,000 yen cheaper btw.
Same with the SS ( Standard Series) M-II bolt on is maybe around 200-300 bucks cheaper compared to the neck thru.

Again, I'm comparing it with dollar to dollar , for example :
The SS M-II bolt on with duncans is around 1100-1300 here.
with the same 1100/1300, you can get ibanez RG 655.
the M-II is equipped with original floyd rose, CTS pots, CRL switch, switchcraft jack.
Well Ibanez..... ? you know.

not saying the parts in Ibanez is inferior than ESP, but I'd guess you got the point.
and the built quality of the SS ESP is not bad after all.

yes, you may get lemon among those too, but don't we also sometimes got lemon with ibanez?
11-24-2014 06:53 AM
psychoshredder
Re: Neck question: RG 1570 vs ESP M-II

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Originally Posted by andriusd View Post
Is this that expensive (over 300,000 Yen) custom one? Or a Standard series?
yes, mine is standard series.
11-24-2014 06:50 AM
MatiasTolkki
Re: Neck question: RG 1570 vs ESP M-II

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Originally Posted by psychoshredder View Post
He's talking about the price of ESP in JAPAN compared to Ibanez.
ESP that sold in Japan is made by their custom shop division. so anything 'custom' must be so expensive compared to regular production.

meanwhile the ESP that export outside Japan, is regular production.

in some case, I found ESP is better buying than Ibanez, I'm not say 'cheaper'.
and I'm talking about the export version of ESP that still carries the ESP logo on the headstock, not LTD.
The M-II DX is only like 20,000-30,000 yen cheaper btw.
11-24-2014 06:47 AM
MatiasTolkki
Re: Neck question: RG 1570 vs ESP M-II

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Originally Posted by akosunen View Post
That's the custom shop one for sure, the E-II lineup is what the Standard once was. I checked the bolt-on M-II price from 2012 (around $1600) and the price of an RG1570 ($1050 or so) and to me the difference is hard to explain. (Both US prices, but similar in Europe at the time)

The Ibanez is a better deal IMO, even though I'm a huge fan of ESPs*, when it comes to comparable products. Not sure about the value of guitars made after 2008 though.

*I have a '11 Original Series M-II CTM coming in soon - it'll be interesting to see how it compares to my '06 J Custom and '08 Jackson SL2H in terms of building quality and such. I don't think anything can top the JC though
I have a story (it may not be applicable to you but something to think about):

I met the guitarist from a band that has been playing live houses for around 15 years over here last night and asked him why he was using an ESP. He said he was originally a Jackson player, but for a couple years over here, there was no way to order a Jackson custom shop model so he decided to go with an ESP custom model (plus the waiting time was about 1/3 of the wait for a Jackson as well). He said that it had a few factory errors and while it is a decent guitar, he would much rather have a Jackson. One of the biggest things he disliked about his ESP was that acoustically, the notes didn't ring out well. It's a fairly bland guitar in his opinion.

That's NOT to say all ESP guitars are bad. I really like the shape and design of the M-II (don't like the choice of pups). If I had the money for one, I'd definitely jump on one. However, they are INSANELY expensive here AND even the E-II line is priced in the J custom range. At that price, i'd save a for a couple more months and just buy another Carvin JB200, or find some really sweet Japan market Ibanezes (my 685 only costing me 550 USD, and my 580 only costing 200 USD with trade-ins).
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