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08-13-2015 01:39 AM
einarabelc5
Re: Looking for ibbys Rg in L.A. need help

Update:

I did as recommended and put the lip balm on the posts and the knife edges. At that point I tried turning the post with the Lock bolt and the whole thing would move as one piece. I screwed the post out and noticed that the inner 1.5mm bolt was already all the way up.
Nothing like these:

http://www.ibanezrules.com/images/te...etup_post3.jpg

When I set the tremolo and add string tension into the mix if I try to follow the method Rich posted on his site it seems like the 1.5 mm wrench simply turns in false(slips) and the lock screws always stay not anchored, which is what he describes here:

http://www.ibanezrules.com/tech/setu...ity.htm#GUITAR

(Go to the Setup section and read part 1).

One thing I did notice when the tremolo was off is that If i Tigthened the posts and left the head exactly 1 cm (10 mm) away from the cavity, they'll become much more stable.
This seems to indicate that when the anchor lock bolt is added to the formula it would add support and make contact with the bottom of the inside of the guitar and thus make the actual 4mm post much more stable.

But I can't seem to do that.

The locking screws don't even really seem to have the hexagonal shape the allen design indicates. It seems to me someone might have screwed them up.

Detuning is completely predictable so the inside should be ok.
08-12-2015 08:32 PM
einarabelc5
Re: Looking for ibbys Rg in L.A. need help

Quote:
Originally Posted by RGTFanatic View Post
The frets just need a good polishing. They are supposed to have a very small flat top, it's called the crown. When the crown starts getting wider than your low e-string or have grooves worn into them by the strings- it's time for a level, crown, and dress. All you need now is a very good polishing.

Put a small dab of lip balm onto the contact point between the trem post and knife edge, work it into the joint by working the stud back and forth. This will help your return come back to zero.

Yes, you want to use the locking screws as they were intended.

Loosen the lock screws (1.5mm)
Set your trem height with the 4mm wrench
re-tighten the lock screw (1.5mm)
Thank You!!

This is good learning for newbs. I noticed the same thing happened with the Jp60. It wasn't perfect but it improved significantly with the lube I put in it.

I've seen people recommend pencil, lipstick like you said and even vaseline. There is lube sold at stores but I think that's overkill.

Another thing about the trem posts, and that's what in essence is driving me crazy. The lock screws as you call them have been turning in false for a while when you either tighten them or loosen them. I followed the instructions as per ibanezrules: http://www.ibanezrules.com/tech/setup/action.htm but I don't see the locking screws getting locked. I don't want to over tighten anything so I'm a little apprehensive.
08-12-2015 05:14 PM
RGTFanatic
Re: Looking for ibbys Rg in L.A. need help

The frets just need a good polishing. They are supposed to have a very small flat top, it's called the crown. When the crown starts getting wider than your low e-string or have grooves worn into them by the strings- it's time for a level, crown, and dress. All you need now is a very good polishing.

Put a small dab of lip balm onto the contact point between the trem post and knife edge, work it into the joint by working the stud back and forth. This will help your return come back to zero.

Yes, you want to use the locking screws as they were intended.

Loosen the lock screws (1.5mm)
Set your trem height with the 4mm wrench
re-tighten the lock screw (1.5mm)
08-12-2015 05:06 PM
einarabelc5
Re: Looking for ibbys Rg in L.A. need help

Is this what lack of polish looks like or are the frets worn?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2x...ew?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2x...ew?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2x...ew?usp=sharing
08-12-2015 02:40 PM
einarabelc5
Re: Looking for ibbys Rg in L.A. need help

@RGTFanatic.

What I mean by fret wear is that the frets have started to get eaten by string bending and they're becoming flat. There's basically a dark streak that usually shows after much use.

I'll take pictures with better lightning of the fretboard.

One thing that I'm really confused about is the bridge. The string tuning seems to follow the bridge. What I mean is if I push the strings go flat when the bridge return to neutral if I pull they go sharp when the bridge returns to neutral. I've stretched them multiple times. I've set the action close to me my liking according to Rich's instructions. I couldn't find any instructions on action that were that accurate. The thing is I have my doubts the screw on the inside is adjustable. Hoshino's ibanez.com site just says to adjusts the posts without worrying about the inside bolt. So I'm confused.

I'll try to post a video of how the strings behave and the post adjustment.

Thanks!
08-10-2015 11:41 PM
RGTFanatic
Re: Looking for ibbys Rg in L.A. need help

I honestly dont see any fret wear, just frets in desperate need of a polish. The crown looks very good on all the frets you've pictured. Of course the usual half-assed Ibanez fret-end treatment is prominently on display.

The fretboard looks somewhat better, but your pics make it hard to see. The Radius is 430mm (16.929") We "Mericans'" call that 17".....
08-10-2015 10:21 PM
einarabelc5
Re: Looking for ibbys Rg in L.A. need help

Here are before and after pics of the fretboard, you can also see the fret wear.


Scary:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2x...ew?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2x...ew?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2x...ew?usp=sharing

Restored:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2x...ew?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2x...ew?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2x...ew?usp=sharing

The G string has this nasty buzz that doesn't go away regardless of whether the nut is tightened or the action raised. I think it is the nut trim. Weird because the string clears at the first fret if you press at the third.

Salesman said it was due to old strings, huh...?
08-09-2015 01:18 AM
einarabelc5
Re: Looking for ibbys Rg in L.A. need help

Verdict after playing for 4 hrs:

Ok,

So I think I played plenty of time and I did some adjustments.

Here's my feedback.

1.-The guitar is MORE balanced than the JP60. I have injuries in my neck muscles and although my trapezoid feels tense after playing standing for a while is nothing like the pull the Jp60 did, even with the same strap.

2.-The cut for right arm access is not as good as on the Jp60. This one is steeper and shorter. Point for the MM Petrucci design.

3.-I'm not really trained for setup except for what I've read but after lowering the action it did feel better. The "perceived' tension though is more than on the Jp60 and reminds me of other guitars I've done. I don't know if it's just because of the Floyd system or because I didn't really lowered as much. The Jp60 was so low that the A string was buzzing open, I don't know if it was the nut. It was REALLY buttery to fret and I could still bend a plenty.

4.-The G string buzzes open. I suspect it's the nut. I found that at the store(even when the action was higher) but I did wanted to take the guitar for a spin anyhow.

5.-All thicker gauge strings buzz if the locking nut is loose, newbie realization. The more you tighten it the less they buzz. The g string still buzzes a little. I think it may be and on/off thing, which is weird.

6.-I bent the crap out of that guitar, 2 whole steps. Only the high e would go out of tune after 10 rounds of FTLOG (I didn't tune in between). The Low E would go out of tune if whamming too much. All in all is much more stable than the non locking tremolo with the locking tuner approach. Of course no "kink".

7.I frigging love the neck. It's wide like a spanish classical guitar which gives you access to fret the strings with the tip of your fingers more while leaving more space on both left and right. You have to get used to the flatness (It's like a 17.5" radius), especially for chording. Good for my hands. I loved the neck on the Jp60 as well but this one is radically different. I even like the little curve at fret 1. Only awkward thing is the height of the locking nut, it gets in your fingers when fretting/bending at fret 1.

8.-Big NO-NO. I discovered today that Frets 15 and above are already worn out from use. I also noticed a minuscule dent on the headstock and a 2 inch one on the case. Returning this is becoming clearer and clearer. They basically sold me a used guitar as a clearance model. Not good.

9.-Despite 8 I've never EVER EVER heard a guitar sound so clear in the high register, even with the action lowered. I loved that. Only the Low E would sound a tiny whiny buzzy in Clean. I didn't even knew that sound, like a synth clean.

10.-I wish Rich had this one:
http://www.******.com/rg652ahm-prest...ar-irg652ngb-p

I found it by mere chance when looking at Sam Ash stock and fell in love with the color. It's soo soothing.

Wait, you DO!!!
http://www.ibanezrules.com/new/rg652ahmngb.htm

I played the brown version at Sam Ash. It wouldn't stay in tune but I'm starting to think it was because either the nut wasn't completely locked or simply the strings needed a stretch.

The body is ash, which explains the increase in price despite the guitar having one less pick up. See here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVmFlzksMCE

But I LOVE the wooden back contrast with the green turquoise top.

This is the same neck specs right?

Some sites claim it's a 16 inch radius but Rich says is 430mm which converts to 16.9 (not 17.5).
08-08-2015 05:38 PM
einarabelc5
Re: Looking for ibbys Rg in L.A. need help

Here are some pics of the guitar I'm testing, you can see things like the Ibanez Cert missing, the dry fingerboard and the action at the 14th fret. The scratch should be on the last picture but I don't think it shows:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2x...ew?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2x...ew?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2x...ew?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2x...ew?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2x...ew?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2x...ew?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2x...ew?usp=sharing

Edit, I got oil for the fretboard.
08-08-2015 04:18 PM
einarabelc5
Re: Looking for ibbys Rg in L.A. need help

Lowering the action:
Quote:
Originally Posted by einarabelc5 View Post

From Ibanez rules:

"Floating Bridge - Edge, Lo Pro, Pro Edge, and all of the double locking Floyd variants are adjusted by raising and lowering the trem studs that the knife edges pivot on. There is a small 1.5mm Allen adjustable set screw inside the studs on all Edge and Lo Pro equipped guitars that must be kept tight for the best tuning stability. Never try and loosen it with the allen wrench but use the 4mm Allen to back out [Lefty Loosey] the studs a hair to free the set screws. If raising the action raise it until it's correct and retighten the set screws. If lowering the action use the 1.5mm Allen to back out the set screw enough to allow the bridge to be lowered. When correct retighten the set screws. Important! After you've tightened the sets using the 1.5mm Allen use your 4mm Allen to tighten the studs down on the set screw to really lock the threads together and give a very solid fulcrum for the bridge. It should only be about 1/16th of a turn so don't try grinding everything together or you'll either break the head off the stud or spin the stud anchors in the body, use good sense when applying torque, but you do want the threads locked together. Adjusting the string height to a large degree will alter the tuning slightly, which can alter everything. If you are making extreme action adjustments be sure to retune, readjust the trem angle, and then recheck the action. Yes, you can adjust the studs with the strings at full pitch without fear of damaging the knife edges or the studs."

So does that mean you have to loosen a screw that's inside the post to lower the post? I couldn't get more precise info online than this but this part is unclear:

" Never try and loosen it with the allen wrench but use the 4mm Allen to back out [Lefty Loosey] the studs a hair to free the set screws. If raising the action raise it until it's correct and retighten the set screws. If lowering the action use the 1.5mm Allen to back out the set screw enough to allow the bridge to be lowered. When correct retighten the set screws. "
Update: I lowered the action, watch pic updates.

If I understand correctly the method for a classic Edge tremolo is:

1.-Turn 4mm Stud counter clockwise to loosen the 1.5 mm bolt that's inside.
2.-Loose the 1.5 mm bolt even more.
3.-Turn the 4mm Stud clockwise to tighten and LOWER the action.
4.-Re-adjust the 1.5 mm bolts.
5.-Retune
6.-Re intonate
7.-Play.

I believe I needed the guitar in front of me to understand this. English is not my first language.
08-08-2015 03:37 PM
einarabelc5
Re: Looking for ibbys Rg in L.A. need help

Quote:
Originally Posted by MatiasTolkki View Post
But who needs a return policy when Rich will set it up perfectly for you from the beginning? I'm pretty sure rich has some sort of return policy though so ask him!
Someone who has never played a floyd before and is obsessive compulsive would need to be sure they want that guitar first. Read my original post.

Thanks!
I did ask, I think is 7 days.

Edit: Sorry if my original reply was blunt, I was tired and had to edit it.
08-08-2015 03:36 PM
einarabelc5
Re: Looking for ibbys Rg in L.A. need help

Here are a few questions for Rich.

1.-Can you confirm your return policy is 7 days only?

A: Found it: http://www.ibanezrules.com/return.htm, 24 hrs.

2.-IF and only IF I have to return the guitar how does the shipping work?
a.-Do I need to pay for shipping myself? I tried to return a cheap electro-acoustic and the price was 90. Half the price of the guitar. It's sitting at my place with a lifted bridge, a nice nut and almost unplayed D'Addarios, even a nice set up.
b.-Do you have instructions on how to pack the guitar (besides body bubble wrapping) to ship it? How about making it "new" again after playing it. I can think of things like oil and string lube but other than that what do you suggest.

Here are questions for Rich customers about things like the Shipping carrier, etc.

1.-How do you feel about having a guitar shipped? I know Rich is probably the most meticulous guy around and that's why I always keep him in mind. The thing I'm worried about is how the carrier is going to treat the guitar and what would happen If I have to return it.

Thank You!
08-08-2015 02:59 PM
MatiasTolkki
Re: Looking for ibbys Rg in L.A. need help

Quote:
Originally Posted by einarabelc5 View Post
Hey Rich!!!

I know, the good thing about THAT store is that they have a 30 day return policy. It would give me a chance to test things like the pickups, the frets, bending, the weight of the guitar, etc. Anything BUT the set up.
But who needs a return policy when Rich will set it up perfectly for you from the beginning? I'm pretty sure rich has some sort of return policy though so ask him!
08-08-2015 02:47 PM
einarabelc5
Re: Looking for ibbys Rg in L.A. need help

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich View Post
You're shopping the wrong store if you want a really good guitar.
Hey Rich!!!

Sorry, my computer died before I could modify this post.

The more I do it the more I feel that's like buying at Walmart and Takin' a Ride is absolutely right about the setup. The good thing about THAT store is that they have a 30 day return policy. It would give me a chance to test things like the pickups, the frets, bending, the weight of the guitar, etc. Anything BUT the set up.

That said, if you or anyone else knows any ACTUAL musician's store in the L.A. area that I can go test guitars at I would surely appreciate it.

At this point I got the RG655 Blue at a discount, it was on clearance with a little dent on the back and an almost invisible scratch/smudge on the front.

The fretboard is dry as it seems the thing has been sitting there for a while. It was the only prestige left in the store and I had to put it on Layway to get it.

It was 1099 with the 2 year pro coverage they have, the list price for the guitar and case is 1,199. To be honest the Sterling Music Man JP60 I returned before had a much better setup. Yes I'm the same guy that's been spamming you about trems and tuning via email for the past couple of days, I'm sorry. I decided to do some research on my part instead of continue the constant asking.

The action is as high as my old Dean Vendetta that I bought on Amazon for a 100.

As I said I'm so anal I need more than a few hours to test it and don't like to deal with annoying salesmen more than a few hours.

My initial test consisted of taking a tuner with me, tuning the guitar then bending the crap out of it to see if it stayed in tune. If it didn't I would not get it. As you say, it may be simply as the strings are not being stretched. I really wasn't convinced about the Floyd double locking until I got to the GC 655, which is been there for a while.Since that one was on Layway I managed to get the trem bar and wank it. Only the E string would get out of tune. It's still happening at home. That's a question.


All in all I tested 2 RGs at Sam Ash across the street and they wouldn't stay in tune so I didn't bothered.

I'm not a hundred percent sure I did the right thing as this is my very first serious guitar but as I said I have 30 days and got the pro coverage.

Will keep testing it and let you know.
08-06-2015 10:57 PM
Takin' a Ride
Re: Looking for ibbys Rg in L.A. need help

I went into the GC on Sunset a few years ago. They actually had a really great selection of Ibanez guitars including J.Customs. That said I've played some pretty high end stuff at GC's (Jem, JS, Prestige) and it usually has a mediocre setup on it. You're best bet is ordering from Rich.
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