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10-11-2015 05:09 PM
RGTFanatic
Re: Original Edge vs Gotoh OFR

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Originally Posted by Craig_Shaft View Post
I wasn't aware a push-in floyd arm would fit an Edge! Is that the case?
I don't know, but I DO know the floyd screw on arms will fit on an edge.

I also know that if anyone can make it fit seamlessly, it's Dylan
10-11-2015 11:37 AM
Craig_Shaft
Re: Original Edge vs Gotoh OFR

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Originally Posted by RGTFanatic View Post
Just a thought Craig, maybe an O.E. with a push in Floyd arm would work best for you?

http://www.floydrose.com/catalog/upg...h-in-style-arm
I wasn't aware a push-in floyd arm would fit an Edge! Is that the case?
10-11-2015 11:02 AM
RGTFanatic
Re: Original Edge vs Gotoh OFR

Just a thought Craig, maybe an O.E. with a push in Floyd arm would work best for you?

http://www.floydrose.com/catalog/upg...h-in-style-arm
10-11-2015 06:20 AM
Craig_Shaft
Re: Original Edge vs Gotoh OFR

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Originally Posted by IbanezDaemon View Post
Good stuff. At least you got in before the order book was closed. Keep your concept between yourself and Dylan.

The flatbacker is actually based on the Super Wizard so if you've played a 7 string JC or Prestige recently it will feel very similar to those. I have a build nearing completion with the shredator profile which will be thinner again. Should be here in the next 2 months or so.

I have Nailbombs in my Cimmerian (mahogany) and they sound great. They are actually Dylans pickup of choice as well.

Interested to hear that you have gone for a V. Will it be a classic V or the Hadian shape for example??
I really like vicious looking, smaller Vs like the Hadian, so I'd be very happy with that shape. But I do know Dylan has done some one-off V shapes before so I'd be up for that too. Not so much a fan of the old big classic flying Vs. I have never owned a V, so I think it'd be a nice change to all my strat-based shapes

I am considering Mahogany seriously for the body since my J-Custom is Mahogany with Nailbombs and I love it. However, that guitar is an S series so it's really thin, but it's still heavy due to the wood choices - a lot of Mahogany and a lot of Wenge. Maybe a guitar with more substance and those wood choices would be uncomfortably heavy, to me.
10-10-2015 07:44 AM
IbanezDaemon
Re: Original Edge vs Gotoh OFR

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Originally Posted by Craig_Shaft View Post
Sounds fantastic... 7 Daemoness guitars! I'm going for a 6 string, probably a V, following a historical concept that Dylan seems really excited to develop. I'm yet to talk to him in depth about the design since we've got 20 months to wait yet. It could end up a 7-string, I do appreciate my current Ibanez Universe, but I think I'm a 6-stringer at heart.`Other specs: floyd rose of some description, BKP pickups (I love alnico Nailbombs) - wood types I'm happy to leave up to Dylan's artistic vision; especially as I have no particular allegiance to dark or bright sounding woods - both can sound fantastic as I've experienced with my two J-Customs.

I do love the Edge, I just wish the arm socket/bar/bushings idea was better designed. I hate that the perfect amount of whammy-bar-play according to your preference only lasts for a few weeks maximum before coming too loose again.

How do you find the flatbacker in comparison to the wizard profile?
Good stuff. At least you got in before the order book was closed. Keep your concept between yourself and Dylan.

The flatbacker is actually based on the Super Wizard so if you've played a 7 string JC or Prestige recently it will feel very similar to those. I have a build nearing completion with the shredator profile which will be thinner again. Should be here in the next 2 months or so.

I have Nailbombs in my Cimmerian (mahogany) and they sound great. They are actually Dylans pickup of choice as well.

Interested to hear that you have gone for a V. Will it be a classic V or the Hadian shape for example??
10-09-2015 06:07 PM
Craig_Shaft
Re: Original Edge vs Gotoh OFR

Quote:
Originally Posted by IbanezDaemon View Post
It will be perfect and then some if Dylan is building it. I already own
a 7 string Cimmerian and have 6 more on order. My current Cimmerian
has the flatbacker profile but I have one incoming with the shredator
profile. Dylan will build you any neck profile you want. I'm gonna have
him build me a few guitars with the Original Wizard Profile as well.

I'd be real interested to hear what specs you are thinking on and trust
me those can change over the time you will be waiting for your build.

Oh yeah....Edge all the way...best trems ever made bar none!!
Sounds fantastic... 7 Daemoness guitars! I'm going for a 6 string, probably a V, following a historical concept that Dylan seems really excited to develop. I'm yet to talk to him in depth about the design since we've got 20 months to wait yet. It could end up a 7-string, I do appreciate my current Ibanez Universe, but I think I'm a 6-stringer at heart.`Other specs: floyd rose of some description, BKP pickups (I love alnico Nailbombs) - wood types I'm happy to leave up to Dylan's artistic vision; especially as I have no particular allegiance to dark or bright sounding woods - both can sound fantastic as I've experienced with my two J-Customs.

I do love the Edge, I just wish the arm socket/bar/bushings idea was better designed. I hate that the perfect amount of whammy-bar-play according to your preference only lasts for a few weeks maximum before coming too loose again.

How do you find the flatbacker in comparison to the wizard profile?
10-09-2015 05:16 PM
IbanezDaemon
Re: Original Edge vs Gotoh OFR

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Originally Posted by Craig_Shaft View Post
Very pragmatic, and I do agree entirely. However, my Daemoness build is going to be rather expensive and it's got to be perfect. If that means spending 3 times what is usual (in UK monies) on a bridge, so be it! Having knife edges that basically never wear seems pretty handy too.
It will be perfect and then some if Dylan is building it. I already own
a 7 string Cimmerian and have 6 more on order. My current Cimmerian
has the flatbacker profile but I have one incoming with the shredator
profile. Dylan will build you any neck profile you want. I'm gonna have
him build me a few guitars with the Original Wizard Profile as well.

I'd be real interested to hear what specs you are thinking on and trust
me those can change over the time you will be waiting for your build.

Oh yeah....Edge all the way...best trems ever made bar none!!
10-09-2015 03:16 PM
Craig_Shaft
Re: Original Edge vs Gotoh OFR

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Originally Posted by Drew View Post
At $900, though.... lol. I'd need to try one first, in a proper before/after test, before I'd be comfortable spending that kind of money when I have no real complaints with the $170 stock model.
Very pragmatic, and I do agree entirely. However, my Daemoness build is going to be rather expensive and it's got to be perfect. If that means spending 3 times what is usual (in UK monies) on a bridge, so be it! Having knife edges that basically never wear seems pretty handy too.
10-09-2015 12:42 PM
Drew
Re: Original Edge vs Gotoh OFR

At $900, though.... lol. I'd need to try one first, in a proper before/after test, before I'd be comfortable spending that kind of money when I have no real complaints with the $170 stock model.
10-08-2015 03:59 PM
Craig_Shaft
Re: Original Edge vs Gotoh OFR

http://www.floydrose.com/catalog/tre...eries/titanium

^ THIS.... with the plug in bar would be GODLIKE

Edit: this appears to be the arm that comes with the titanium model: http://www.floydrose.com/catalog/upg...um-tremolo-arm
10-08-2015 03:04 PM
Drew
Re: Original Edge vs Gotoh OFR

No clue, but if a Schaller FR will take a regular OFR arm, then I'd say so. I've never played a Schaller, though.
10-08-2015 02:03 PM
Craig_Shaft
Re: Original Edge vs Gotoh OFR

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Originally Posted by Drew View Post
I actually still have to install one on my UV (which has an OFR) - if I get a chance tonight, I'll shoot some video when I do and give a quick overview of the bar.
Do you happen to know if this new OFR bar fits a Schaller FR? They seem to get good reviews too, though I'm unsure of the differences in spec between a Schaller and an OFR. Good call on the video if you get round to it.
10-08-2015 01:30 PM
Drew
Re: Original Edge vs Gotoh OFR

I actually still have to install one on my UV (which has an OFR) - if I get a chance tonight, I'll shoot some video when I do and give a quick overview of the bar.
10-08-2015 01:29 PM
Drew
Re: Original Edge vs Gotoh OFR

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Originally Posted by Craig_Shaft View Post
Thanks for all the info guys. Drew, thanks for the points about the OFR too I had no idea that they had released a push-in arm. Would you say the new OFR bar is a better design than the Gotoh one? I love the feel of the Ibanez bridge, but them damn bushings do my head in. Heating them up on my gas stove is the best work around but if the Gotoh tension-screw(?) or the OFR version are permanent ways of achieving a level of stiffness on the play of bar, then that's great.
Yeah, I think it's better. Once installed, the arm feels pretty much the same - there's a rubber collar inside the arm holder, and a small allen screw at the back that you can tighten or loosen to increase the amount of pressure on the side of the bar, and in turn increase or decrease the rotational resistance. It's awesome - you can totally lock the bar down if you really crank on it, or leave it pretty loose, without having it rattling around like a screw-collar OFR. I've got it set at a good happy medium where if I nudge it it moves relatively easily, but it also stays in position if I don't.

The big difference though is in installation - the OFR is a pop-in arm like an Ibanez, where you just stick it in the arm holder and shove down. If you want to rip it out mid song and do weird Vai stuff with it or play a few slide licks using the bar, you can do it. The Gotoh, however, is a threaded screw-in arm, like a Fender trem. IIRC on the OFR it's internally threaded - I know it is on the Wilkinson, and I'm pretty sure it is on the Floyd - where there's a cavity INSIDE the arm that's threaded, and it kind of screws into a screw in the arm holder, almost as if the bar was a weird, thin, oddly shaped bolt, if that makes any sense.

It works just as well once it's on, but it takes longer and if you have the collar set pretty tight, you have a lot of resistance while you're screwing.
10-07-2015 05:46 PM
Craig_Shaft
Re: Original Edge vs Gotoh OFR

Thanks for all the info guys. Drew, thanks for the points about the OFR too I had no idea that they had released a push-in arm. Would you say the new OFR bar is a better design than the Gotoh one? I love the feel of the Ibanez bridge, but them damn bushings do my head in. Heating them up on my gas stove is the best work around but if the Gotoh tension-screw(?) or the OFR version are permanent ways of achieving a level of stiffness on the play of bar, then that's great.
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