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10-25-2002 11:32 AM
Patrick Deno
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Originally Posted by davester1234
This site is like home to me.
The only thing i don't like is that my computer keeps forgeting my goddam password, and I have to re-log in, everytime I come
Dang! I thought I was the only one with this problem!

LJ
10-24-2002 11:11 PM
davester1234 This site is like home to me.
The only thing i don't like is that my computer keeps forgeting my goddam password, and I have to re-log in, everytime I come, which is like, 26 times a day!
Keep it up Glen/darren/jono my.....men! Moderate away!
10-24-2002 10:02 PM
Skarekrough
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Originally Posted by ardell henderson
any community / society requires policing - and jemsite does a fine job! why would someone not appreciate their efforts!?!???
If I didn't appreciate the community I wouldn't care how it is run nor would I post at length about it.
10-24-2002 01:29 PM
athlon
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any community / society requires policing - and jemsite does a fine job! why would someone not appreciate their efforts!?!
Who dosnt appreciate thier efforts ??? not me !! not what i said ! ( typed ) please see above !! I am grateful to anyone who can produce such a highly polished site that gives me so much information.



i do appreciate it, i have mentioned so, twice on this very thread !!

10-24-2002 12:26 PM
ardell henderson any community / society requires policing - and jemsite does a fine job! why would someone not appreciate their efforts!?!???
10-24-2002 09:28 AM
Markie Boy When I first looked at this site a few months ago, I could not believe the quality of conversation & content. I think someone has already mentioned the Korn Sux / 'tallica rulz arguments that pitifully appear in other forums......There's no doubt that this is down to the moderators.

It's great reading conversation between musicians who are so passionate about there guitars and god help anyone who insults the 'Jem family' (Ed Roman????)

I think sometimes the issue surrounding 'snobbery' is one of the faults with forums / e-mail as a whole. How many times have we mailed someone and maybe added a joke or a funny comment - which in turn has been taken completely the wrong way by the recipient........it's hard to perceive emotion / humour etc in a text.......so an open-mind and a pinch of salt is often needed.

This site is a credit to the guys who run it.....but does anyone know if a Lo-Pro will fit into a 555?
10-23-2002 04:58 PM
Jeff
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Originally Posted by Patrick Deno
As someone who's been a part of this forum for years (how many remember the original Yahoo forum? :P ) I can tell you that you will grow to appreciate the heavy modding that goes on here. It's for a reason. When you've been here as long as some of us have and you've gotten the "Can I dump a Lo Pro in my Jem555" question as often, you'll understand why. Remember one thing: This is THE premier Jem forum, bar NONE. We're like family here and just like any functional family we have rules that are designed to keep it functional. Heck, everyone gets a bat on the nose once in a great while, just ask some of the old foggies around here ... ... but we keep comming back because:

We're the only Jem forum that has annual get togethers spanning two contents. We're the only Jem forum that has won awards and who even Ibanez checks in on once in great while (though they'll never admit it ). We have award winning musicians, we have professional musicians, we have signed and unsigned bands from all walks of life and music styles here, we have producers, radio personalities, legal folks, computer big wigs, craftsmen, webdesigners - you name it we've got it ... and we mingle with very few ego problems. One of Steve Vai's own rhythm guitarists started out here. We have at least one musician that I know of that is signed to Favored Nations, Steve's own record label (maybe more, not sure off the top of my head). We've got the planet's vastest library of guitar literature and knowlege bases.

And I am a firm believer that all this can be traced back to one common denominator - we are heavily modded and have become a planet spanning family due to that fact.

Don't knock it. Go with the flow and take things as they come. If your thread gets moved then it was in the wrong place to begin with. If your thread gets shut down then either it was unappropriate or it was a topic that had been covered before. If the latter is true then you can always revive the thread that covered it before if you have a new slant to the topic. The mods have a horrendous job every single day and they do the best they can. Personally, I thank them for it and you will too after being here a while.

LJ

P.S. It's been said before but it's worth repeating: Glen OWNS this site. It's his baby. He designed and created it and he can do anything he damn well pleases with it. Although he is 99% of the time, he doesn't HAVE to be fair to you, me or anyone else on this forum. But as long as I have known him he has at least tried to be fair to everyone. It's not an easy task but he's as good as I've seen. The same goes for the moderators that he has chosen. And trust me, even they get smacked down if they screw up. Ask around if you don't believe me.
I agree with your statements a lot. But what I think keeps the forums so civil other than the moderation is just the interaction of the moderators, instead of all acting like gods. If anything I think the forums are undermoderated, as sometimes you see people talking about the paint jobs of JS guitars when the thread reads "Why do JEM's have the handle cut into them." That of course is just an example, but you get my point.
10-23-2002 03:26 PM
metalmarty Nope, don't think it's over-moderated. I've been asking some pretty stupid things and always got an answer.

I love this site. It turned my interest in the Jems into a Jem-obsession and has been invaluable to my knowledge on tech-info and pricing. In the two years I visit this site there's has almost been no single day I haven't been here. I don't post VERY often, I like just to read and admire the expertise most of the seniormembers and moderators have. They are always honest, sometimes hard, but not in an excessive way. Damn, I spend so much time here, my girlfriend hates you!

So, please, continue the way you do. Hope to get to Jemfest UK someday and talk with some of you in the flesh
10-23-2002 01:36 PM
mike777 I think the moderation is fine. Many people come here for info or to provide info and there must be a well-defined line between truth and myth. There is a high respect truth and facts on this site and Glen and his selected moderators have been doing a great job in maintaining that.

They have always done a great job at "keeping the peace" over the years that I've been on this site. Everyone's opinions have been welcome and respected and there has always been a vibe amongst us-especially among those of us who have been chiming in since the beginnings. Glen and company have worked hard to preserve that "vibe". Even when we don't agree with each others' opinions all of the time, the vast majority have still respected those opinions as just being different without the unnecessary ridicule and belittling. This is much appreciated. Those folks have decided to breach that respect have learned that their ignorance and immaturity did not fit in and they have backed off if not already extricated (depending on circumstances).

So considering the information, the fun, and respect I have received over the years from the Glen and the Moderators (Glen's future band? ), I have no general complaints. Thanks.

BTW-is there a general guideline as to how often a question is asked within a given period of time before it's considered an FAQ? Maybe knowing that in advance may offer additional insight as to why there threads were closed to reassure some folks that they really aren't being disrespected or something. I understand these reasons but some, mostly newer folks, may not understand. Just curious. Thanks.

Mike 777 Haug[/i]
10-23-2002 11:53 AM
Patrick Deno As someone who's been a part of this forum for years (how many remember the original Yahoo forum? :P ) I can tell you that you will grow to appreciate the heavy modding that goes on here. It's for a reason. When you've been here as long as some of us have and you've gotten the "Can I dump a Lo Pro in my Jem555" question as often, you'll understand why. Remember one thing: This is THE premier Jem forum, bar NONE. We're like family here and just like any functional family we have rules that are designed to keep it functional. Heck, everyone gets a bat on the nose once in a great while, just ask some of the old foggies around here ... ... but we keep comming back because:

We're the only Jem forum that has annual get togethers spanning two contents. We're the only Jem forum that has won awards and who even Ibanez checks in on once in great while (though they'll never admit it ). We have award winning musicians, we have professional musicians, we have signed and unsigned bands from all walks of life and music styles here, we have producers, radio personalities, legal folks, computer big wigs, craftsmen, webdesigners - you name it we've got it ... and we mingle with very few ego problems. One of Steve Vai's own rhythm guitarists started out here. We have at least one musician that I know of that is signed to Favored Nations, Steve's own record label (maybe more, not sure off the top of my head). We've got the planet's vastest library of guitar literature and knowlege bases.

And I am a firm believer that all this can be traced back to one common denominator - we are heavily modded and have become a planet spanning family due to that fact.

Don't knock it. Go with the flow and take things as they come. If your thread gets moved then it was in the wrong place to begin with. If your thread gets shut down then either it was unappropriate or it was a topic that had been covered before. If the latter is true then you can always revive the thread that covered it before if you have a new slant to the topic. The mods have a horrendous job every single day and they do the best they can. Personally, I thank them for it and you will too after being here a while.

LJ

P.S. It's been said before but it's worth repeating: Glen OWNS this site. It's his baby. He designed and created it and he can do anything he damn well pleases with it. Although he is 99% of the time, he doesn't HAVE to be fair to you, me or anyone else on this forum. But as long as I have known him he has at least tried to be fair to everyone. It's not an easy task but he's as good as I've seen. The same goes for the moderators that he has chosen. And trust me, even they get smacked down if they screw up. Ask around if you don't believe me.
10-23-2002 09:01 AM
Skarekrough
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Originally Posted by darren wilson
Personally, i think one of the great things about Jemsite is that over the years the forums (fora?) have accumulated a vast knowledge base about Ibanez and other guitars, tech/setup issues, artists, etc. That knowledge bank is available to everyone via the search function. (Yeah, the search could stand to be a bit better, but it works... most of the time.)

Moderating takes time and effort. It's not something we do because we like to power-trip or we get off on being hard-asses. We're passionate about the community that has developed here and want to keep the quality of discussion very high, so it doesn't degenerate into the boring drivel and same-old-same of so many other forum sites.
I think the issue here really is what IS Jemsites purpose?

Is it for discussion or is it for the cataloging of information?

The thing about constant discussions is that over time with the addition of new people to the community it grows and perspectives can change dramatically as well as new information and experiences. Dredging up a thread from 2 years ago is daunting to a newcomer and they're not terribly likely to contribute to something that's 14 pages long. In addition users are less likely to read through the 14 pages again to acquaint themselves with the background on it for another users perspective. They may skim, but odds are they won't bother with it at all.

In addition to this...on more than one occasion I've seen users reprimanded for adding to old threads. Apparently, even as a cataloging tool, everything that can be said has been said before according to those that chide users for such things....and that's just arrogant!

The funny thing about the same-old-same....there's always something new that happens to come out of it. There's always a new perspective or peice of information that gets revealed in the process of a handfull of posts.

Jemsites a great place...it celebrates the weird obsession I've had with Ibanez guitars, the funny ones with the handles and the gorgeous inlays and the 7-string things that "make me look like a rock star at home" according to a few vocal fans of my last band. It is, however, an exceptionally oppressive venue for the exchange of information and has been run, at times, in an a fascist manner where the users are treated as a nuisance rather than an asset.

But all in all it's Glens ball...he could bag the whole place late one night and that would be the end of it.....I'm certain he'd probably get a whole lot more sleep by doing so and save some enough cash to afford more guitars which he likes so much he dedicated a site to it. He can do whatever he wants and run it anyway he wants.....but a funny thing has happened...a community developed....and that's powerful stuff.
10-23-2002 08:53 AM
LGMT This Forum is Heavily Moderated ? Yes !!!!

Thanks God, that's the speed connect reason for a instant click and tons of Ibanez Info.

10-23-2002 08:49 AM
MidnightFlamed This is a rare forum that actually is consistantly civil, extremely helpful, and has a very, very strong sense of community. Whatever formula makes that happen is working and I wouldn't want to futz with it. Saying that, I'd say the mods must be doing a great job.

I wouldn't be quick to call overmoderation on them. I lurked for quite awhile before posting, and even now I read much more than I post. Over time there are a lot of repeated threads, sometimes it seems they're by people who make an account just to ask a question, frequently a question answered many times over in the past. I think that the moderators keep things together well, and I'm sometimes amazed they're as polite as they are about closing the same threads over and over again.
10-23-2002 07:26 AM
dex I've only been here about 4-5 months (1 lurking and 4 participating ) and I've seen the "Cain I drop a lo-pro into a 555?" question asked at least 20 times.

That's why there shuold be a FAQ about that.

On the other hand I've only seen one thread being locked without a link/explanation given.
So to recap, the mods don't lock threads out of snobery or power-trips, they do it because it's been discussed before, and most of the time they will provide a link to where it was discussed or tell you to use the search.

As far as guitar snobery is concerned.
The 555 is a good guitar in it's own right, it just isn't a Jem7. Most people frown upon Mexican Strats, PRS Santana SE, Parker 38, Epiphone LP and other guitars like that, because they are lacking the quality and the consistency of their more expensive similar looking models.
Not to mention that the only reason there are guitars like the ones I listed is so the company can make more money.
Just imagine Antonio Stradivari 300 years ago going
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"I know my violins are the best, but they are very expensive. Only the good and successful musicians are prepared to buy one and this way I am missing on the more lucrative market of the bedroom wanabees. I can't posibly make enough violins or make them cheap enough for everyone, not to mention that my name will suffer if I start selling substandard violins......................... I know. I'll send my blueprints to Korea and get them to make substandard (by his standard) instruments, put Stradivari Jr. on it and sell them at half the price to mine. We'll make a fortune."
I can't, can you???

I personally love the fact that this site is kept the way it is and once again I want to thank the moderators and Glen for doing a great job.
Thank You.
10-23-2002 05:30 AM
SalemB
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Originally Posted by athlon
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Originally Posted by sniperfrommars1
The 555 threads are getting locked for a simple reason and its not snobby. The 555 is simply inferior to the Jems. .
laffin .... thanx sniper, a first class example of guitar snobbery !! inferior to THE Jem, the last time i looked my 555 said JEM on it wether you like it or not
I agree, that's just snobbery. Whether the 555 is better or worse than any other JEM's shouldn't matter and I don't believe that any 555-threads are being closed because of this.
Right now I have a Telecaster thread going and if any threads should be closed because of snobbery, it should be that one, right? Well, it isn't. Probably because the Jemsite audience is pretty open minded.
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