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02-22-2019 10:53 AM
therightjem
Re: What key is this?

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Originally Posted by FireEagle View Post
My Boss ME-80 pedal does have a looper function, however it is not very easy or convenient to use. You lose the much of the functionality of the processor when using that part. I have tried it though and I can see what you mean, although getting the timing right is very difficult. From what I understand, a dedicated looper pedal is much easier to use.


I also tried a Digitech Trio pedal, that I thought would be beneficial in the same manner. It turns out that it would not loop your rhythm, but would add bass and drums after learning your progression. It works pretty good, but I see now they have updated it and added a looper function and it is a much better product! I have not used the Trio as much as I thought I would. It's pretty cool, but man... the bass lines it generates can get pretty crazy. It's like jamming with Jaco Pastorius! Hard to dial it back enough to keep it from taking over.


Lately I've mostly been playing along with backing tracks of various kinds as well as some synthwave/retrowave stuff. I enjoy it as a learning tool, just hard to get out of the rut of playing in the same areas/scales that I'm comfortable with. Been trying to learn a more melodic approach to improvisation (through youtube lessons/tutorials) the last few days and it's been somewhat beneficial already. Paying more attention to the chord tones as opposed to improvising in the overall key.


Thanks for the advice... I have a bunch of stuff that I don't use much, if I can sell some things locally I may pick up a dedicated looper pedal. Any recommendations?
I use a TC Electronic Ditto, the original small one. Its selling point is its ease of use. One button does it all. It's great for everything I mentioned before. Its drawback is that it doesn't store loops (other than the current one). I'd really like that feature for gigs. I think Boss makes a straightforward looper that can store like 100 loops.
02-22-2019 10:35 AM
FireEagle
Re: What key is this?

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Do you have a looper pedal? I ask because I feel that's one of the better instructional tools technology has given us. Playing to someone else's backing tracks has its advantages, but nothing helps understanding harmony and melody like creating everything yourself. Picking the chords and understanding their intervals helps immensely with improvisation. And Loopers are great for the creative process, as well. And sure, one could do all this in their DAW, but the ease and convenience of a looper puts it out in front for me. Often times, I'm just jamming and don't want to be bothered with the PC. With the looper on my board, it's just on and go.

My Boss ME-80 pedal does have a looper function, however it is not very easy or convenient to use. You lose the much of the functionality of the processor when using that part. I have tried it though and I can see what you mean, although getting the timing right is very difficult. From what I understand, a dedicated looper pedal is much easier to use.


I also tried a Digitech Trio pedal, that I thought would be beneficial in the same manner. It turns out that it would not loop your rhythm, but would add bass and drums after learning your progression. It works pretty good, but I see now they have updated it and added a looper function and it is a much better product! I have not used the Trio as much as I thought I would. It's pretty cool, but man... the bass lines it generates can get pretty crazy. It's like jamming with Jaco Pastorius! Hard to dial it back enough to keep it from taking over.


Lately I've mostly been playing along with backing tracks of various kinds as well as some synthwave/retrowave stuff. I enjoy it as a learning tool, just hard to get out of the rut of playing in the same areas/scales that I'm comfortable with. Been trying to learn a more melodic approach to improvisation (through youtube lessons/tutorials) the last few days and it's been somewhat beneficial already. Paying more attention to the chord tones as opposed to improvising in the overall key.


Thanks for the advice... I have a bunch of stuff that I don't use much, if I can sell some things locally I may pick up a dedicated looper pedal. Any recommendations?
02-22-2019 12:25 AM
Formerly Given To Fly
Re: What key is this?

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Originally Posted by therightjem View Post
Do you have a looper pedal? I ask because I feel that's one of the better instructional tools technology has given us. Playing to someone else's backing tracks has its advantages, but nothing helps understanding harmony and melody like creating everything yourself. Picking the chords and understanding their intervals helps immensely with improvisation. And Loopers are great for the creative process, as well. And sure, one could do all this in their DAW, but the ease and convenience of a looper puts it out in front for me. Often times, I'm just jamming and don't want to be bothered with the PC. With the looper on my board, it's just on and go.
The first song I made up and recorded is made entirely of layered loops. It is called Mr. Duck is Suspicious of You so He Scares You Away from His Pond. I found a picture of a duck that, to me, looks kind of angry so I thought the listener needs to be looking at the picture of the duck while they listen to the music. The song makes no sense until the 8th loop starts, then, everything comes together. Looping can be great for the creative process. I used it more as therapy.
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02-21-2019 10:03 PM
therightjem
Re: What key is this?

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Yeah, I think you are right... and I am a bit isolated here. I don't know any other musicians or anything like that. I did take some lessons and am still friends with a local guitar tech (and dynamite player, RJ with Supersonic Music). I just couldn't justify $30 for 30 minutes one day a week. I told my wife we'd live here for 5 years and move back to AZ... but next month it will be 21 years. If I ever get back home I can use my dad as a mentor/coach. Thanks for the insight!
Do you have a looper pedal? I ask because I feel that's one of the better instructional tools technology has given us. Playing to someone else's backing tracks has its advantages, but nothing helps understanding harmony and melody like creating everything yourself. Picking the chords and understanding their intervals helps immensely with improvisation. And Loopers are great for the creative process, as well. And sure, one could do all this in their DAW, but the ease and convenience of a looper puts it out in front for me. Often times, I'm just jamming and don't want to be bothered with the PC. With the looper on my board, it's just on and go.
02-21-2019 03:36 PM
FireEagle
Re: What key is this?

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That type of musical camaraderie is impressive and kind of rare.

Without incentive or constructive feedback, it is really easy to get stuck in a rut especially on your own. In golf, every player on the PGA tour has a swing coach. The swing coach is probably not a better golfer but they know how to work with these golfers on their swing by either improving it or changing it. A golfer’s swing always needs refinement. No one has a perfect swing...

Music is the same way but there is a traditional hierarchy of “teacher>student” which is necessary for a long time, but eventually, teachers become more effective as coaches or mentors. Unfortunately, this idea is not very common amongst adult musicians so very few people ever coach or receive the benefits of being coached.

One way to get out of a rut is to have someone pull you out. This is what a “music coach” would essentially do.

Yeah, I think you are right... and I am a bit isolated here. I don't know any other musicians or anything like that. I did take some lessons and am still friends with a local guitar tech (and dynamite player, RJ with Supersonic Music). I just couldn't justify $30 for 30 minutes one day a week. I told my wife we'd live here for 5 years and move back to AZ... but next month it will be 21 years. If I ever get back home I can use my dad as a mentor/coach. Thanks for the insight!
02-20-2019 11:16 PM
Formerly Given To Fly
Re: What key is this?

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The intent was not really to have a competition, as the reply above said... It was more of a fun/learning/feedback kind of thing.


I've been trying to get myself to do it on my own lately, but have trouble sticking with a track long enough and end up giving up. I didn't play much for a the last couple of years, but my wife bought me a new interface and mic for recording. So I'm trying to get better at recording guitar and improve my playing, but feeling stuck in a rut at the moment and getting frustrated. The guitar challenge made me stick with it long enough to get some real benefit... despite the remedial recording and guitar work.
That type of musical camaraderie is impressive and kind of rare.

Without incentive or constructive feedback, it is really easy to get stuck in a rut especially on your own. In golf, every player on the PGA tour has a swing coach. The swing coach is probably not a better golfer but they know how to work with these golfers on their swing by either improving it or changing it. A golfer’s swing always needs refinement. No one has a perfect swing...

Music is the same way but there is a traditional hierarchy of “teacher>student” which is necessary for a long time, but eventually, teachers become more effective as coaches or mentors. Unfortunately, this idea is not very common amongst adult musicians so very few people ever coach or receive the benefits of being coached.

One way to get out of a rut is to have someone pull you out. This is what a “music coach” would essentially do.
02-20-2019 10:43 AM
FireEagle
Re: What key is this?

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I did not know you learned how to record in the process. That does constitute as learning a lot!
One last thing to clarify, was the Jemsite Guitar Challenge a competition that a person could “win” or more importantly “lose?”

The intent was not really to have a competition, as the reply above said... It was more of a fun/learning/feedback kind of thing.


I've been trying to get myself to do it on my own lately, but have trouble sticking with a track long enough and end up giving up. I didn't play much for a the last couple of years, but my wife bought me a new interface and mic for recording. So I'm trying to get better at recording guitar and improve my playing, but feeling stuck in a rut at the moment and getting frustrated. The guitar challenge made me stick with it long enough to get some real benefit... despite the remedial recording and guitar work.
02-20-2019 12:28 AM
therightjem
Re: What key is this?

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I did not know you learned how to record in the process. That does constitute as learning a lot!
One last thing to clarify, was the Jemsite Guitar Challenge a competition that a person could “win” or more importantly “lose?”
Yes, there was a "winner". Basically how it worked was like this; it was a monthly thing. At the beginning of the month, the person heading up the challenge would post some choices for backing tracks and people would provide feedback on what they'd prefer. The most popular track was picked, then all participants had until the end of the month to submit an entry. After that, there was a vote and the submission with the highest vote total won. There were no prizes or anything, though. What I found really interesting was how differently all of the players approached the same track. It was really neat insight into everyone's creative process.
02-19-2019 10:58 PM
Formerly Given To Fly
Re: What key is this?

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It was a good thing for me... I had to buy some things and learn how to record guitar on a pc, learn how to improvise, learn how to post it to soundcloud, etc... Sure helped me learn a lot though, with help from other guys on there. Thankfully everyone was pretty cool and didn't maker fun of my remedial recordings...
I did not know you learned how to record in the process. That does constitute as learning a lot!
One last thing to clarify, was the Jemsite Guitar Challenge a competition that a person could “win” or more importantly “lose?”
02-18-2019 10:30 AM
FireEagle
Re: What key is this?

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Your idea is good but I think it would need to be modified to attract enough interest to make it worth it. I say this because we all learn from each other which requires at least a handful (or two) of guitarists participating, especially on the internet.
It was a good thing for me... I had to buy some things and learn how to record guitar on a pc, learn how to improvise, learn how to post it to soundcloud, etc... Sure helped me learn a lot though, with help from other guys on there. Thankfully everyone was pretty cool and didn't maker fun of my remedial recordings... Especially with entries from really good players and quality recordings, like Craig Shutt.
02-17-2019 11:09 PM
Formerly Given To Fly
Re: What key is this?

Your idea is good but I think it would need to be modified to attract enough interest to make it worth it. I say this because we all learn from each other which requires at least a handful (or two) of guitarists participating, especially on the internet.
02-16-2019 07:52 PM
FireEagle
Re: What key is this?

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Originally Posted by Formerly Given To Fly View Post
How did the “Jemsite Guitar Challenge” work? Where did the backing tracks come from?

It was a few years ago... There would be a backing track posted monthly that you could record yourself playing over and post a link to it. Then there was a poll where you could vote on the one you liked best and give feedback, etc... It was pretty low key and friendly. I helped keep it going for a while because it helped me so much. I had never really tried to play my own thing up to that point, so it was a crash course in improvisation. We usually got the backing tracks from some free site or youtube. If you do a search on "jemsite guitar challenge" up above you'll see some of the old posts and polls.
02-15-2019 05:32 PM
Formerly Given To Fly
Re: What key is this?

How did the “Jemsite Guitar Challenge” work? Where did the backing tracks come from?
02-15-2019 10:27 AM
FireEagle
Re: What key is this?

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Originally Posted by Formerly Given To Fly View Post
A direct link to the music in question is always very helpful.

I tried to find it on youtube, but all I could find is a guy playing over it... which I can't listen to or I'll be influenced by what/where he played, lol. Here is his bandcamp page, it is the 1st track, "Ethereal Chill - A Major". I bought his entire collection, just to support the guy and have 450+ misc backing tracks to goof around with and stretch my comfort zone. I usually browse around, but when I loaded the collection into windows music player it automatically started playing the 1st track... so after tuning the SZ320 I just went with it... :-)


https://elevatedjamtracks.bandcamp.c...ted-jam-tracks


Sometimes I wish we would start up the old "Jemsite Guitar Challenge" like we used to do. Having to record guitar along with a particular backing track each month really forced me to learn a lot.
02-14-2019 09:57 PM
Formerly Given To Fly
Re: What key is this?

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Probably "extended jamming" more than looping. Most of the guy's tracks are around 10 minutes long... Good quality tracks with usually two different sections to spice them up a bit, but now that I've been jamming with several of them they seem to be a little bland. Most a re really good tracks... https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqA...-C9roOB4vgzROA
A direct link to the music in question is always very helpful.
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