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06-03-2005 08:01 PM
artificial infection
Re: What seperates a JEM from a RG?

Quote:
Originally Posted by moro
Oh, one thing I forgot: output jack position...?

Veyr interesting thread ~ anyway Ibanez RG J-customs (such as the RG8670) Have the same jack positions as the Jems. But the prestige series aren't.
06-03-2005 08:01 PM
Flobanez
Re: What seperates a JEM from a RG?

The Mockingbird is the only guitar by BC Rich that I'd consider getting. I have a 1997 catalog and I like the one that Slash played.
06-03-2005 07:40 PM
MilkshakeFiend
Re: What seperates a JEM from a RG?

On the note of BC Rich 'cloud' inlays, I can definately say they are 'cloud like'. I tried one of the 'classic' model mockingbirds (can't for the life of me remember what it was called!) and, yeah the inlay is similar, in that it gets smaller, but other than that... quite different. The mockingbird itself wasn't bad either, for 500 bucks, nice top, nice sound, (the cleans impressed me, but I was playing through a Fender Twin :-/ ) but heavy as hell!

Whoa, back on topic :-s

JEMs come in nice lurid colours; ye don't see too many RGs in Shocking Pink and Desert Yellow (both very cool colours) but I might be wrong; I'm not hot on my RG history lessons!
05-17-2005 08:09 PM
jemaholic
Re: What seperates a JEM from a RG?

I've got both too.
Let's look at this logically...........

Do you think Ibanez has re-tooled an entirely different body and neck for both the RG an Jems series? Do you know what that would cost?

Let's show an analogy with Cars:
Lincoln Town Car = Ford Crown Victiria
Mercury Sable = Ford Taurus= small Jaguar
Lexus = Toyota
GMC Jimmy = Chevrolet Blazer
Ford F150 = Expedition with roof over bed

POINT: Basic models are shared with changed finishes, changed levels of appointments(pickups, [paint & hardware)and marketing with guitars just like cars. It just costs too much to retool for totally different models from the ground up.
Look at the Satch model- I had one almost identical from Ibanez BEFORE he put his name on it and called it a JS model.
Just my 2 cents.
05-17-2005 04:12 PM
nightfiend14
Re: What seperates a JEM from a RG?

Quote:
Originally Posted by GuitarAkuma
The major difference is pickup quality and electronic shielding, on the RG's its fairly rudimenturary, bit the JEMs are shielded for better live performance so have cavity insulation paint and (in the case of the early JEMs) an earth lug connected to the scratchplate. Thats why the singlecoil on the RG's hum loudly and the JEMs don't hum so much.
Not sure if that is entirely true anymore either. I have a rg570 body sitting right next to me and the single coil cavity has the black insulation paint as well. It's from 2001, it could be possible somebody else did this, but it's there.
05-17-2005 10:46 AM
eviltwin
Re: What seperates a JEM from a RG?

Quote:
Originally Posted by JTM45
Those aren't 'pyramids' on the BC Richs'. They're actually referred to as 'clouds' and that's what they look like. They've got a flat bottom-edge and then there's three little 'billow' type 'cloudy' sort of shapes(poor description I know,Sorry!).
So it looks like the Pyramids are exclusive to Ibanez Jems and Universes. I certainly haven't seen them on anything else.
Ibanez used 'vines' on quite a few high-end 'Artist' models in the late '70s and early '80s too. They may have even used them earlier than that as well.
hmmm, yeah you're onto something, BC Rich do refer to them as clouds, the 2005 pics are not much of an improvement over 2004, so it's hard to tell. But I distinctly remember seeing 70s versions with a Maya-type, stepped pyramid. Perhaps not on a BC Rich, but the combination of Mockingbird and these pyramids remains somehow etched into my memory.

As for the vines, I even more certain they are not exclusive to Ibanez. By the mid 1970s they had already become a standard design for all sorts of luthiers, on acoustics, dobros, big jazz boxes.


That stuff on the RG vs JEM is really insightful.
03-01-2005 03:56 AM
GuitarAkuma
Re: What seperates a JEM from a RG?

These days not much in production quality, both a heavily machine made with the 'prestige' necks getting some hand sanding, a far cry from the early days when like the Fender custom shop all JEMs wher more hand made than machine, so necks tended to vary in thickness by a few milimeters (my 777VDY is supposed to be 17mm at the first fret its 15!)

The major difference is pickup quality and electronic shielding, on the RG's its fairly rudimenturary, bit the JEMs are shielded for better live performance so have cavity insulation paint and (in the case of the early JEMs) an earth lug connected to the scratchplate. Thats why the singlecoil on the RG's hum loudly and the JEMs don't hum so much.

Personally I only buy old JEMS the production quality is dissapointing on the modern JEMs my real turn off was my 7VWH it has was the best in the shop but still has cosmetic flaws a $2000 guitar should not pass a decent Q.A with Where as older JEMs seem much better made and FEEL like $2000 guitars
02-22-2005 01:44 PM
jemsite
Re: What seperates a JEM from a RG?

no wonder why ibanez keeps it's employees off the record. ...glen
02-22-2005 01:02 PM
RCB
Re: What seperates a JEM from a RG?

I think that description was completely accurate for 1987. But the RG has evolved since then. The closer you can get to what Rich Lasner is referring as the RG is the current 1550/70 or 2550/2570. Nowadays with the Jcustom line, or even the RG3120, the RG series has been upgraded to the same level of a jem.

You may say that some J customs have some quality details you dont even find in the jem. I saw a pic of the fretwork on a J custom that is better than anything I ve ever seen on any other Ibanez guitar (including my jem10).... I wouldnt trade my jem10 for it though
02-22-2005 12:20 PM
whatshisname
Re: What seperates a JEM from a RG?

Straight from the horses mouth-

- when and how did the RG design come up?

After the huge success of the JEM guitar, we were faced with lots of pressure from dealers and the head office to make a less expensive version that more people could afford.

- what do you think about the fact that, still today, the RG shape stands still among the most beautiful and modern guitar-designs?

I think we were very lucky. The basic design of the guitar has aged well, and doesn’t look dated. The main elements of the guitar are still contemporary and have become somewhat of a classic design.

- was the first RG prototype much different from the production model?

No. Since we were really just taking the JEM idea down a couple of price levels, we had the JEM design to guide us. Except for some trim differences, the RG proto was much like the finished version.

- why did you design either two versions of the same model, one with and another with no pickguard? which one came up first?

We felt competition from Jackson and Kramer, who had successful models that had no pickguard. In order to compete, we wanted to offer versions like this. It also allowed us to eventually have RG guitars with graphics, which the pickguard would have prevented. I also always felt that the sound of a guitar with pickups floating in a pickguard was different than if the pickups were secured in pickup rings. I felt that the guitars without pickguards would have a sound that Metal players would like better. Th epickguard versions came first as they were almost the same as a JEM.

- what does RG stand for?

We had the Roadster guitar and Roadstar guitar series before, so we contracted those to RG. We wanted something like Gibson had with “SG.”



http://www.ibanez87.it/english/e-rich-lasner.aspx
02-22-2005 10:03 AM
RCB
Re: What seperates a JEM from a RG?

If you compare a jem next to a high end RG (prestige 3120 or J custom), Id say the only differences are:

The price (although some J customs cost nearly as much as a jem), the neck profile, the tilted jack, the monkey grip and the Lion claw. Thats about it. The 7VWH (and the VSBL) is made of alder, but the rest are made of basswood. Most of the current J customs and the RG3120 are made of mahogany with a figured maple top, but the lower end of the Prestige Rgs are made of basswood.

The pups are different but no way better (again, if you compare to an RG3120 or a J custom). The build quality is the same you can find on a high end Prestige RG and probably less than what you ll get on some Jcustoms. You may inlcude the inlays, but thats not really true since you have J customs RGs with vines, and jems with dots. The hardware is the same.

A high end RG is every bit as good as a jem. In fact Id take some J Custom models over any current jem. Even the popular and (formerly) unexpensive RG3120 is as good as a jem in every aspect (its different, but it has similar features and quality).

People that suggested otherwise in this thread really have very little knowledge about Ibanez guitars.
02-22-2005 09:25 AM
IbanezroadstarII
Re: What seperates a JEM from a RG?

SHHHH!!! Dont give away the Ibanez Secret! You'll be walking down the street and a black van will pull up beside you and a bunch of guys in Black Ibanez(TM) t shirts will pull you in the van... and thats all I can remeber, but Ibanez is affiliated with the aliens.
02-21-2005 08:28 PM
Dylan7620
Re: What seperates a JEM from a RG?

kerry king 7 string
02-21-2005 07:45 PM
JTM45
Re: What seperates a JEM from a RG?

Quote:
Originally Posted by eviltwin
BC Rich has had them available for a while, perhaps even predating Vaibanez.

check the 2004 catalog pics

http://www.bcrich.com/images/catalogs/2004/p04.jpg

Those aren't 'pyramids' on the BC Richs'. They're actually referred to as 'clouds' and that's what they look like. They've got a flat bottom-edge and then there's three little 'billow' type 'cloudy' sort of shapes(poor description I know,Sorry!).
So it looks like the Pyramids are exclusive to Ibanez Jems and Universes. I certainly haven't seen them on anything else.
Ibanez used 'vines' on quite a few high-end 'Artist' models in the late '70s and early '80s too. They may have even used them earlier than that as well.
02-18-2005 05:34 PM
IbanezroadstarII
Re: What seperates a JEM from a RG?

I dont like BC rich.... feels like playing a toy
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