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01-01-2007 01:55 PM
alex10
Re: New hockey rules...

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Originally Posted by Rotti View Post
Am I the only one who hates the new hockey rules? I'm a casual hockey fan. Lately I've been watching the Leafs games. It's just one penalty after another. Often times there are two guys in the box at the same time. I think it just kills the momentum and the game in general.
a canadian talking about hockey, my god thats never happened before:-)
03-30-2006 01:59 AM
IbanezPrestigeBoy
Re: New hockey rules...

BTW, I'm a Giants fan, and a Mets Fan. I was born to be let down. Atleast we can probably all agree that basketball is terrible. lol
Later Glen,
Nik
03-30-2006 01:51 AM
IbanezPrestigeBoy
Re: New hockey rules...

I think Jagr is a leader by example. He works hard. Also, there are alot of Czechs on the team, and that is Jagr's native tongue. I'm sure Prucha and Malik/Rucinsky/Sykora/Straka (though none of them are youngsters) and I think Hossa's Slovakian(I'm not sure if they speak the same language) have learned alot from playing with a Czech icon. There's alot of respect from him in that locker room.
I could be wrong.
Later,
Nik
03-30-2006 12:18 AM
jemsite
Re: New hockey rules...

cowboys & yankees... check assuming you're a gints fan... i did suffer thru alot of home NYG games as a kid (few in yale bowl and many in the meadowlands) cheering for their opponents

note to rich - i witnessed live the greatest game any eagle fan can recall... "the fumble" herm edwards return of piscarchik's handoff to czonka. sad when that is a highlight of your team's history though

anyways, i have no "hate" for other teams or fans... maybe it's an age thing but I don't get worked up about overpaid millionaires... keep it fun or tune it out.

Ranger fans must be on cloud 9. my take on the Rags (and teams like Buffalo) this season is they GREATLY benefited from having essentially a full year together in the AHL as a functional team (minus Jagr/Straka) and they're clicking. Jagr isn't a leader and won't help the youngsters develop when he leaves but you just gotta enjoy the ride 'cause he could pull a hammy and return to being a Diva any time. IMHO next year reality sets in when the rest of the league has camp, preseason, scouting reports, etc. Now if they make a long playoff run and come out next season stormin' the league i'll rethink the East conf a little. with help from the refs, any team can win any series this spring ...glen

ps - jd/sam are complete homers & apologists but alot better than many smalltown "home" announcers. MSG does a good job and their HDTV feeds from home games are more than welcome. i have yet to hear a reason to explain the lack of quality from FSN myself... it is perplexing and annoying.
03-29-2006 11:52 PM
IbanezPrestigeBoy
Re: New hockey rules...

I've been a rangers fan since I was born, literally. I was brought home from the hospital wrapped in a NYR blanket. I've been going to games since I was three, and was at game 2 of the stanley cup in 1994. I've been to alot of ranger games over the years, about 10-12 a year since I was 6. I'm just so into the Rangers franchise that my opinion can be biased. I respect the devils for playing impressive hockey over the past decade, but to me, there's nothing like seeing an original six team play well. I love everything about the team, and am really glad that they got past the post neil smith "aquire washed up" players syndrome.
Even as a devils fan, you have to respect the players the rangers have this year,and the fact that they're playing with out the usual cast of big name, over paid greats of yesteryear. Lundqvist,Prucha, Ortmeyer, Ward and Moore are all pleasant surprises this season, and the fact that Jagr, Straka, and Rucchin haven't been busts and are being leaders and examples for the younger players is great. This year has been such a fun year for us (me, my g/f and friends who go to the games) because the team plays with heart this year, not for the paycheck. That's something I think the Devils have done for a while, and something that I always respected.
Glen, I'll never stop hating the Devils or The Islanders, and I'm sure you'll always hate the rangers, but atleast we can give credit where credit is due...
Either way, i'm still for a majority of the new rules. I think SRVoodoo nailed it pretty much on the head.

OLN still isn't the best source for hockey games. But then again, some of the Center Ice stuff kinda sucks too. It's just cool to be able to watch west coast games. Even if you're not a Rangers fan, you have to give it to MSG for their production of the games. Sam Rosen and J.D. are IMO the best duo in hockey. Both really knowledgeable and interesting to listen to. I can't stomach FSN covering games, because the lighthing always seems so dim. Plus, I think Mike Emerick (SP?) and Kenny Albert have annoying voices.

And Glen, lol since you're a devils fan, I'm guessing you're also a Yankee and Cowboys or Eagles fan. You seem like one of the guys that likes all the teams that I hate. lol, it makes for interesting conversation. Either way, we both like the same music. You're still a cool guy.
Take care,
Nik
03-29-2006 09:24 PM
SRVoodoo
Re: New hockey rules...

OLN has definately improved since the early games.
They must have hired some people with experience or something...or at least took a few camera lessons.
It still ticks me off that they only show one game at a time.
I thought they were gonna be more like "NHL Center Ice" from some of the cable companies or satalite companies...
not yet anyway.
I think that allowing the two line pass isn't a bad idea, it certainly does add to the breakaway scoring chances. That being the case, I feel that the goalies MUST be limited in their play of the puck because, if they weren't, forwards would just be cherry pickin' at the offensive blueline & it would take the "stragedy" (joke) out of the game.
The only way I would ever agree to letting the goaltender play the puck outside of the trapizoid would be if they dropped the "Goaltender Interference" penalty!
THAT would make for some nifty scoring chances
03-29-2006 08:53 PM
jemsite
Re: New hockey rules...

Rough decade... and half century (1940.... 1993....20???... 21??)

Graves was a classy player, nice guy and fan fave... Jagr breaking the record has to sting but it was a very breakable record (especially now where Jagr gets 1/2 his goals on the PP and he can't be CRUSHED in open ice by alert defenseman).

You werent a Rags fan in '93? Bummer if not. I sat thru the OT game at the swamp where Messier victimized our rookie goalie (yup... future HOF'er Marty Brodeur) to win game 6 then they won the (2?) OT game 7 at the Garden en route to win the cup. Took alot of heat from friends who many are NYR fans but the next year is sat in the Meadowlands Game4 and saw a Stanley Cup hoisted (sweep over Det) plus a couple more over the next decade makes the Ranger rivalry basically non-existant. Glad to see them competitive again, but the wind in their sail is short lived. They'll probably be in last place again next year ... glen

PS - has anyone watched OLN? I have not (bad timing mon-nite games) and with the local channels haven't tuned in much to see if production has improved from opening night. The intermission crew was spotty.
03-29-2006 08:37 PM
IbanezPrestigeBoy
Re: New hockey rules...

On an unrelated note, Jagr just got his 112 point, beating the old record by 3. I'm only 19, so I never saw the GAG line, but I am kind of Sad to see Graves' record be broken. As got Glen, you're a great guy, but your a Devils fan, so when it comes to hockey we must be enemies... lol.
Things are right again in East, with the Rangers in 3rd, leading the Atlantic, and the Devils struggling to keep the 7th seed and the Isles pretty much out.
It's been a rough few years, but things are back in order in the NHL.
Don't take it personally, I just can;t stomach the Devils, or the Islanders
03-29-2006 03:57 PM
Rotti
Re: New hockey rules...

I like the shootout as well, except for the stick measuring.
03-29-2006 02:27 PM
jemsite
Re: New hockey rules...

LOL i hate that FG rule too.

The shootout is for FANS. It also gives NHL some buzz 'cause they are exciting for newscasts, highlight reels, etc. Casuals can understand/watch a breakaway goal (single skater from mid ice trying to score) more than a deflection

it's also a real treat to the crowd at the live game watching a full game, hard played OT then the shootout IMHO...glen
03-29-2006 02:16 PM
gpenguins
Re: New hockey rules...

There's definitely good and bad. The trapezoid behind the goal is the single most idiotic rule change, IMO. Glen nailed it, how many great offensive break outs are being snuffed by that stupid rule. That just makes no sense, it's like when the NFL changed the field goal rule to where the kick is instead of the line of scrimmage so there wouldn't be as many field goals - yeah, now teams punt from the 35 instead, great idea to make the game better...

Anyway, back to hockey. I also don't care for the shootout, especially since they still give a point for a regular OT loss. What's the incentive to try to win in OT if you can get the same in the shootout?

The real test will be in the playoffs, will they do what they normally do and just forget about the rule changes and go back to the ol' clutch and grab garbage that they usually allow in the post season?

Worst is that here in Chi-town, the 'hawks, behind the times as usual, got a bunch of old, slow guys (Barnaby, etc), so they just sucked, but that's hockey here in Chicago. And, since we never really see much on TV, it's hard to have too much opinion about the rules, I guess.
03-29-2006 08:58 AM
jemsite
Re: New hockey rules...

The delay of game certainly needs to go. That is a really silly change and will possibly ruin a playoff series with penalty called for something non-intentional. You can't let dumb luck effect games.

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Originally Posted by IbanezPrestigeBoy
(sorry Glen, I'm a Rangers fan)
my condolences

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Originally Posted by IbanezPrestigeBoy
There has been alot of slow, defensive hockey over the years, where teams have played the trap and used physical play to win games.. I HATED THAT!
The term "trap" is widely misunderstood but that boiled down to poor enforcement of the rules. I've seen ALOT of "skill players" dive, hook and grab with the goons. Also alot of teams misued players (ie. Bobby Holik on the Rangers ROTFLMAO at that signing and contract) relegating them to mediocre players.

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Originally Posted by IbanezPrestigeBoy
I love the fact that they took away the two line pass and made hockey offensive again. .
I assume you meant to say they now ALLOW the 2 line pass but this really has not done much, except perhaps backup the defensemen more because now they need to watch for the long pass. Proper rule enforcement would be more effective for "offense" but the jury is out on this one.

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Originally Posted by IbanezPrestigeBoy
Don't you guys miss people with 100+ point seasons?.
Not at all. I miss big, clean hits and physical play along with good EVEN STRENGTH scoring chances.

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Originally Posted by IbanezPrestigeBoy
About the whole trapezoid behing the goal thing, I don't know, I think it's kinda dumb, but It gives the goaltender restrictions, which is good. .
You want offense, yet you want to restrict stick-handling goalies who could make a TWO-LINE PASS to a breaking winger and get a breakaway?

I think alot of these rules will be revisited and tweaked. Really i think this season shoudl have an asterisk in the books as it's more like a prolonged spring training than a real season in my book with all the player movement, cuts, buyouts, rule changes, veteran lockouts (younger players were in the AHL) and 3 week olympic hiatus. The shootout IMHO was the saving grace of the season to date.. (I watched alot of IHL games live and they had the shootout which was great live).

Watching the season unfold is like driving on a highway and coming up to a "SLOW DOWN TO 25 - CONSTRUCTION ZONE". I do think next season will be a good one if they tweak the changes and get the refs on the same page. .. glen
03-29-2006 01:46 AM
IbanezPrestigeBoy
Re: New hockey rules...

I don't know. Yeah, there is alot of inconsistency in the calls, but I think the rule changes as a whole have not been detrimental to the league. There has been alot of slow, defensive hockey over the years, where teams have played the trap and used physical play to win games. I HATED THAT! Watching teams like the Devils (sorry Glen, I'm a Rangers fan) was (and still is) excrutiating. I love the fact that they took away the two line pass and made hockey offensive again. Don't you guys miss people with 100+ point seasons?
About the whole trapezoid behing the goal thing, I don't know, I think it's kinda dumb, but It gives the goaltender restrictions, which is good.
The calls were hard to handle in the beginning of the year, as it seemed as if people were constantly getting called for hooking or holding or slashing, but I think things have settled down considerably. Like Surfdog said, inconsistency with the refs has always been a problem in every sport, because the refs are human. Maybe the NHL could review penalties the way they review goals...
Any how, like I stated earlier, the only call that I hate is the delay of game. I mean, sometimes it's quite obvious that some one isn't intentionally dumping th epuck into the seats, and those times should not be called. It already cost the rangers a game when kasparitus got called for it with 2 minutes in the third while they were on the PK. I don't remember who they were playing, but I'm pretty sure it was either Tampa or Florida... maybe Carolina... I don't know. Either way, why would some one intentionally throw the puck into the stands when they know they know it's going to get called when on the PK?? It doesn't make sense.
Just my 2 cents.
03-28-2006 09:27 PM
SRVoodoo
Re: New hockey rules...

did you see Darcy Tucker NOT get called for boarding???????
talk about inconsistancy!
03-28-2006 09:26 PM
surfdog777
Re: New hockey rules...

I've only saw a few times where delay-of-game was called on dumping a puck....and it was clearly obvious the player was just trying to get a whistle.
I'd agree with the previous point about inconsistency. But then that's always been an issue, be it NHL, or MLB, or NFL or ___________ (insert sport here).

The upcoming off season will be slam-full of 2nd guessing, I've even heard talk about awarding 3 points for a win in regulation time. Is that really needed? As it is, here we are in the last week of March, and there are only a few teams that are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. That's not only good for the fans, it's good for the game.

$.02
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