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08-03-2006 02:30 AM
sniperfrommars1
Re: Jackson and ESP Custom Shop info

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Originally Posted by C.Thep
Agree. When strings don't fall flush with the nut, say goodbye to tuning with agressive tremolo play.
I dont know how much that effects tunign stability after the nut is locked down. I can tell you i dont like top mount nuts very much though. Jackson makes good guitars, just not as good as ibanez imho.
08-03-2006 02:04 AM
C.Thep
Re: Jackson and ESP Custom Shop info

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Originally Posted by sniperfrommars1
How long have you been playing jacksons? What i would consider real jacksons arent made anymore :P. And most of those were bolt on necks :P.
Having said that Ive yet to see a jackson where the strings fell completely flat against the locking nut. THey still go sharp when you lock the nut down.

And they need a better oem tremolo design. The jt580 just doesnt cut it, and the original floyd rose is really good but in the end limiting compared to what the guitars could be capable of.

Agree. When strings don't fall flush with the nut, say goodbye to tuning with agressive tremolo play.
08-03-2006 02:01 AM
buddroyce
Re: Jackson and ESP Custom Shop info

I've been playing Jackson's for about 12+ years now(been a Jackson dealer for a decade up until last dec when I quit selling ger). Most of the one's I've owned were all USA Soloist's and RR's though (all neck thru).

(I think we should stay on topic since this thread is about ESP/Jackson custom shop info)
08-03-2006 01:28 AM
sniperfrommars1
Re: Jackson and ESP Custom Shop info

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Originally Posted by buddroyce
I wish I knew why Fender doesn't use a full blown AANJ but I guess it's because everyone there is just Old Skool.

Real Jacksons are usually neck-thru construction and pretty much every Jackson I've come across with a neck plate is a cheaper Korean/Japanese model. But I guess it's just a conservative design.

How long have you been playing jacksons? What i would consider real jacksons arent made anymore :P. And most of those were bolt on necks :P.
Having said that Ive yet to see a jackson where the strings fell completely flat against the locking nut. THey still go sharp when you lock the nut down.

And they need a better oem tremolo design. The jt580 just doesnt cut it, and the original floyd rose is really good but in the end limiting compared to what the guitars could be capable of.
08-03-2006 12:55 AM
buddroyce
Re: Jackson and ESP Custom Shop info

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Originally Posted by C.Thep
Ya, they have countored neck joints on the flathead telecaster and showmaster, but with those kind of guitars, which obviously are not supposed to look vintage, why not just make it a full blown AANJ?

But I'm talking about how jackson uses neck plates is just pathetic.
I wish I knew why Fender doesn't use a full blown AANJ but I guess it's because everyone there is just Old Skool.

Real Jacksons are usually neck-thru construction and pretty much every Jackson I've come across with a neck plate is a cheaper Korean/Japanese model. But I guess it's just a conservative design.
08-03-2006 12:38 AM
C.Thep
Re: Jackson and ESP Custom Shop info

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Originally Posted by buddroyce
Jackson doesn't use string retainers as there's more of a tilt on the headstock on thier headstock as compared to Ibanez/ESP. (Jackson I believe the the same 14 degree headstock tilt like Gibson, whereas Ibanez/ESP has a 9-12 degree tilt).

I actually asked a Fender rep about the neck joints once and I was told that they do it really because most people who want a Fender Strat/Tele, also want one that's more or less the same as the ones from the 50's and 60's. Aparently it's done so that no one goes and complains about how much better the old ones were because of the neck joint, yadda yadda. (even though we know a Strat with an AANJ would kick @$$, some folks would complain)

Note: They actually have some neck bolts that are kinda like the ones on the Musicmans but because it's not part of the original design they aparently didn't want to put it in part of their standard design.
Ya, they have countored neck joints on the flathead telecaster and showmaster, but with those kind of guitars, which obviously are not supposed to look vintage, why not just make it a full blown AANJ?

But I'm talking about how jackson uses neck plates is just pathetic.
08-03-2006 12:31 AM
buddroyce
Re: Jackson and ESP Custom Shop info

Quote:
Originally Posted by C.Thep
Ya, why dont they use retainers? I don't understand why companies, exept fender, still use 4 bolt plates, instead of some sort of AANJ.
Jackson doesn't use string retainers as there's more of a tilt on the headstock on thier headstock as compared to Ibanez/ESP. (Jackson I believe the the same 14 degree headstock tilt like Gibson, whereas Ibanez/ESP has a 9-12 degree tilt).

I actually asked a Fender rep about the neck joints once and I was told that they do it really because most people who want a Fender Strat/Tele, also want one that's more or less the same as the ones from the 50's and 60's. Aparently it's done so that no one goes and complains about how much better the old ones were because of the neck joint, yadda yadda. (even though we know a Strat with an AANJ would kick @$$, some folks would complain)

Note: They actually have some neck bolts that are kinda like the ones on the Musicmans but because it's not part of the original design they aparently didn't want to put it in part of their standard design.
08-02-2006 11:39 PM
C.Thep
Re: Jackson and ESP Custom Shop info

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Originally Posted by sniperfrommars1
I always hated the standard jackson headstock. Get their 3 to a side design and have em put a damned string retainer there, and a through the neck locking nut! And an aanj! Gahhhhhhh
Ya, why dont they use retainers? I don't understand why companies, exept fender, still use 4 bolt plates, instead of some sort of AANJ.
08-02-2006 11:16 PM
sniperfrommars1
Re: Jackson and ESP Custom Shop info

I always hated the standard jackson headstock. Get their 3 to a side design and have em put a damned string retainer there, and a through the neck locking nut! And an aanj! Gahhhhhhh
08-02-2006 10:52 PM
jim777
Re: Jackson and ESP Custom Shop info

You could get Jackson to build you an RGA7! Neckthrough, bound ebony board, archtop.......

And like I said, Matt Rules!
08-02-2006 09:03 PM
MilkshakeFiend
Re: Jackson and ESP Custom Shop info

Got an email back from Matts Music, here it is:

Hi Myles - I have no problem shipping to an APO. I called the custom shop and they said it wouldn't be a problem for them to build you a guitar using the Ibanez tremolo.

Do you have a list of specs put together?

Matt

-

WOOOHOOO!

Ok, serious dilemma here, a new car, or a Jackson Custom...?

I'll probably be executed if I buy another guitar.

Maybe I can get my family to pitch in for my birthday.

Jackson here I come!

~M
07-30-2006 08:16 PM
jim777
Re: Jackson and ESP Custom Shop info

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Originally Posted by Lefty Robb
yeah, considering most custom shop orders are well over $4K....
The quote generator shows list price. Matt will get it for you considerably cheaper; maybe 60% of that or less. Also, I think you can have the guitar delivered to Matt, and have Matt deliver it to you. Give him a shout, even if just to ask some questions to get a better idea. I don't think they'll route a guitar for a trem they aren't installing though, in the same way they won't sell a guitar without pickups.

jim
07-30-2006 07:17 PM
jaxadam
Re: Jackson and ESP Custom Shop info

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Originally Posted by fettouhi
35K!!!!! Holy smoke.

Regards

André
That's Australian, so you're really looking at about $24,000.

Which is still a helluva lot for a guitar.
07-30-2006 07:07 PM
MilkshakeFiend
Re: Jackson and ESP Custom Shop info

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Originally Posted by Lefty Robb
yeah, considering most custom shop orders are well over $4K....
Hmm, I'm not sure of that. I've talked to one guy, who filled out the Jackson quote online, while it still gave you an estimate there and then, and his came out as $5K, but when he asked the dealer, they said that's the estimate and the retail are always alot lower.

That's only one guys experience, though.

~M
07-30-2006 07:03 PM
Lefty Robb
Re: Jackson and ESP Custom Shop info

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mylo
Then there's the whole issue of money, but that'll sort itself out, eventually.

~M

yeah, considering most custom shop orders are well over $4K....
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