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05-26-2007 12:52 PM
AMD1014
Re: Trems after 2003:Still paying?

Man i hated the lo-pro edges, i had an rg770 and it could never stay in tune and one of the lock blocks had some sort of crack in it. I got a 1550 prestige with the edge pro and it stays in tune forever.
05-16-2007 08:55 AM
Eco
Re: Trems after 2003:Still paying?

I personally prefer the EP on my JS over the Lo Pro (or whatever one it was) on the Jem BFP i had.

The Jem was nice, but it was much more of a pain to tune, restring and keep in tune during use.

The EP gets strung, tuned set up and thats it for a good while, other than a little fine tuning every now and then.

I use the trem a hell of alot and the EP stands up better than the others i've used, im betting alot of people here cry about the EP because other people do and its popular.
05-12-2007 11:42 PM
TheJazzTerminator
Re: Trems after 2003:Still paying?

There are pros and cons of each trem.

Firstly, I have never had a tuning problem with the Edge Pro, which is installed on my 2003 RG3120. In fact, it stays in tune BETTER than any other trem I've used. Any guitar needs a good SETUP from an EXPERIENCED luthier or guitar tech. This is vital to the functionality of the trem (or, any trem). There are so many factors involved with tuning (string gauge, number of springs, etc.) that you can't say "the trem makes my guitar go out of tune." It's just not fair because, without all that other stuff in place, of course the freaking guitar won't stay in tune!

The con of the Edge pro, in my opinion, is that it feels stiffer. Well, maybe mine does because I bought the guitar used from a friend of mine last spring and he didn't play it a whole lot. So, it was basically sitting around for a couple of years not being jammed on much, so the springs probably just aren't worn in, giving it a stiffer feel. Either way, a lot of other people have made the same complaint, so I know it's not just me.

EDIT:

Although it feels stiffer than the Edge trem, once I had a luthier set it up, the guitar feels a lot better than it did before I had it setup.


Personally, I prefer the Edge (rather than Edge pro). I'd rather sacrifice a little tuning stablity (considering I'm not always banging on the whammy bar, anyway) for a slinkier, looser feel.

Oh, and BTW.... for those who don't like the feel of the Edge pro, I might have a remedy. Back in January, I brought my 2003 RG3120 to a local luthier in Rhode Island. I had the frets leveled and a setup. When I looked at the trem closely, I noticed that they didn't put the strings in really far into the trem (where the ball end goes). It's kinda hard to describe this, so I'll try to take a picture tomorrow.

Basically.... instead of putting the ball end as far as it can go (remember, you don't have to cut ball ends off on the Edge pro) put it in just enough that you can tighen the block so the string is held in place. If you do it correctly, the wound part of the string near the ball end will be visible and laying over the crevice that the string lays on. For me, this contributed to better playability...
04-13-2007 10:03 PM
jb4674
Re: Trems after 2003:Still paying?

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Originally Posted by MaVo View Post
I want to tell you my Experience with the Edge Pro Trem and the Lo-Pro Edge Trem.

Last year in March I began playing in a cover band. I used my RG7620 with a Lo-Pro Edge and it never ever got out of tune. I didn't need to retune it while we were playing 5 hours in the vening ( I'm dead serious!). But at the end of April I bought the chrome JEM77BRMR with the Edge Pro and I knew from a guy at the Tom Morello Project Forum called Xavier7 ( he told me a lot about jemsite and ibanez stuff ), that the new Edge Pro tremolos had problems with staying in tune. But I thought it can't be that bad, but unfortunately it was like he said. I checked the tuning very often during the gig and I had to retune it very often. It's a catastrophe, I paid nearly 2000€ for my JEM and expect a tremolo, that keeps the strings in tune. The guitar is superior expect the tremolo, which is one of the most vital parts on a guitar.

Of course the endorsers can have what they want. The latest example is Muhammed Suicmez of Necrophagist, which a Xiphos Custom from the LA Design Research/ Custom Shop. And gues what, he's a got chrome Lo-Pro Edge.

Steve said once in an interview something like this: "If you walk into a guitar shop and pick a up a JEM, then it's the same guitar I use on stage."
Short: Steve's JeM = JEM in the music shop. The customer get's the same guitar as Steve.
Not this again............... Set up the guitar right, get some locking studs for it and the problem will go away.

Jimmy
04-13-2007 05:20 PM
MaVo
Re: Trems after 2003:Still paying?

I want to tell you my Experience with the Edge Pro Trem and the Lo-Pro Edge Trem.

Last year in March I began playing in a cover band. I used my RG7620 with a Lo-Pro Edge and it never ever got out of tune. I didn't need to retune it while we were playing 5 hours in the vening ( I'm dead serious!). But at the end of April I bought the chrome JEM77BRMR with the Edge Pro and I knew from a guy at the Tom Morello Project Forum called Xavier7 ( he told me a lot about jemsite and ibanez stuff ), that the new Edge Pro tremolos had problems with staying in tune. But I thought it can't be that bad, but unfortunately it was like he said. I checked the tuning very often during the gig and I had to retune it very often. It's a catastrophe, I paid nearly 2000€ for my JEM and expect a tremolo, that keeps the strings in tune. The guitar is superior expect the tremolo, which is one of the most vital parts on a guitar.

Of course the endorsers can have what they want. The latest example is Muhammed Suicmez of Necrophagist, which a Xiphos Custom from the LA Design Research/ Custom Shop. And gues what, he's a got chrome Lo-Pro Edge.

Steve said once in an interview something like this: "If you walk into a guitar shop and pick a up a JEM, then it's the same guitar I use on stage."
Short: Steve's JeM = JEM in the music shop. The customer get's the same guitar as Steve.
02-14-2007 07:41 AM
fettouhi
Re: Trems after 2003:Still paying?

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Originally Posted by Rich View Post
Wow, there's a secret. Joe likes the Edge


Regards

André



02-11-2007 04:38 PM
Drow Swordsman
Re: Trems after 2003:Still paying?

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Originally Posted by JTM45 View Post
There's plenty of nice used (pre-EP)Ibanez guitars around for the people who prefer the Lo-Pro/Edge trems.
Some people like the EP's,some don't.
It's really not worth arguing about (again!).

Different strokes... etc.
I agree it's not worth it arguing about...and yet you brought up the Vai/Satch thing? lol...

It's all good, but I agree buy what you like, but I don't get what is so mind numbingly horrible about the EP. I think I've read more bad things about the EP than I have about the Lo TRS-II, in all seriousness.
02-10-2007 07:07 PM
JTM45
Re: Trems after 2003:Still paying?

There's plenty of nice used (pre-EP)Ibanez guitars around for the people who prefer the Lo-Pro/Edge trems.
Some people like the EP's,some don't.
It's really not worth arguing about (again!).

Different strokes... etc.
02-10-2007 12:26 AM
jkahrs
Re: Trems after 2003:Still paying?

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Originally Posted by Dee View Post
I just think it's hilarious how so many people are obsessed with what their idol uses. Who f'kin cares what Joe Satriani or Steve Vai prefers?!! Think for yourself, I say.

I like all the trems, they all have their good and bad points but generally they are all great. The EP is better fitted with Super Studs from Rich, but even without them I think it's very good indeed. It certainly wouldn't stop me from buying an EP equipped guitar if I liked the instrument.
I don't care whether the artists endorse the tremolos or not. The reasons I don't like the ep have nothing to do with who uses it. I don't like the feel, the saddles, or looks of it. That's enough to stop me from buying another ep equiped guitar. That's just me. I know I'm in the minority, and I also know that Ibanez won't change anything. A brand new guitar would be nice, but I'm not putting $1500 in a guitar with features I don't like. I'll just continue to buy used, and build my own. Simple as that. --Jason
02-09-2007 11:44 PM
sugizo_esp
Re: Trems after 2003:Still paying?

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Originally Posted by JTM45 View Post
Why is it that you NEVER see Satriani or Vai using a guitar with an Edge-pro
the reason they dont use it much is because they have been playing with edge for a long time, like vai using evo for over 10 years, ..they have just develop this confort for playing the same instrument for so long, and a slight change would cause a slightly different feel to the instruments which might affect playability, or it jsut donesnt feel right, (different to doesnt work good)
02-09-2007 11:26 PM
Dee
Re: Trems after 2003:Still paying?

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Originally Posted by MetalZone View Post
the rear top part where the fine tuners are positioned is rounded according to the fretboard radius. the back is straight.
Thanks, I thought that's how it was, only it looked different to how I remembered it in the pic. I like the EP, but I've only used it a couple of times. It seems fine to me. The Lo-Pro looks nicest, but I suppose that's kinda irrelevant.

Sorry for the double post.
02-09-2007 11:19 PM
Dee
Re: Trems after 2003:Still paying?

I just think it's hilarious how so many people are obsessed with what their idol uses. Who f'kin cares what Joe Satriani or Steve Vai prefers?!! Think for yourself, I say.

I like all the trems, they all have their good and bad points but generally they are all great. The EP is better fitted with Super Studs from Rich, but even without them I think it's very good indeed. It certainly wouldn't stop me from buying an EP equipped guitar if I liked the instrument.
02-09-2007 10:56 PM
Rich
Re: Trems after 2003:Still paying?

Changing the rout to accept the LP or ED would make the EP look like ass.. The rout is supposed to be close and tight to look professional, and they are not going to change the mold for the baseplate just so a few of you that don't like the EP can retrofit in another trem. If you want another trem have the body routed and install it yourself, or, buy a different guitar. It's really just that simple.
02-09-2007 10:52 PM
jkahrs
Re: Trems after 2003:Still paying?

And they wouldn't buy them if they had Edges or Lo Pros on them?

Changing the route so that any of the tremolos could be used wouldn't hurt a thing, or cost really anything. They could even put original Edges back on some models and save that $14 or whatever it is they have to pay for each low profile design tremolo that goes out the door. (That's what the subject of this thread was about anyway, wasn't it? Still having to pay for the low profile design?) Modifying the route to accept any of the three tremolos might not even be possible. Tak might be able to answer that question. --Jason
02-09-2007 09:11 PM
Rich
Re: Trems after 2003:Still paying?

That specific 1200 is a prototype, LACS made before the Edge Pro was being put on guitars and so it gets Joes favorite Edge. It's never been a secret. Would he have one specifically built with an EP? Who knows, who cares, it wasn't the point. Do they care if you never buy another new guitar because you don't like the Edge Pro? No, because you're in the minority. People are voting with their dollars and buying every EP guitar they build.
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