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05-29-2007 01:12 PM
RGT3120
Re: Pics of my Ibanez J-Custom & Signature collection

I 'd be happy owing the bottom row!
05-28-2007 06:32 AM
zEr0
Re: Pics of my Ibanez J-Custom & Signature collection

Well, I wasn't trying to start a debate and much less convince anyone of anything. I guess I should have seen this coming...

All I'm saying is: As far as my experience tells me, older JC's have better quality standards than newer ones. My experience may not be as extended as other members here I know, but there's my view on the subject.
05-28-2007 05:53 AM
casper777
Re: Pics of my Ibanez J-Custom & Signature collection

mmm.....

Just to give my 2c as I own both newer and older JC and played some others....

The newer ones are MUCH better than the older ones....!

The fret job for exemple is superior on the recent JCs... the neck finish is better also! I don't know the details, but there is absolutely no pickup noise with my 2 '06 JC whatever is the environment, on stage, with a lot of eclectric instrument around.. I can't say the same about my RG Gear...

For Rich, yes I also thinh that the 58 mm neck is a HUGE improvement!!! But my 8470 and 8320 have super wizard necks that are 17mm!! given the fact that they are wider necks you don't really feel they are super thin however!!
05-28-2007 04:34 AM
Rich
Re: Pics of my Ibanez J-Custom & Signature collection

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Originally Posted by akoch View Post

I'm sure Rich knows better and I take his opinion into consideration. But also Rich has to move the current stuff, he can't dwell on the older day stock.
I sell more older JC's than I ever will new, and I have to modify and improve every one of them to even get them close to a new JC out of the box
05-28-2007 04:30 AM
P.D.U.-OTIO
Re: Pics of my Ibanez J-Custom & Signature collection

I can see your point on the necks, even my tech likes thicker necks and doesn't like the skinny super wizard necks as do many other Ibanez players.

As for the metal, I'm honest in saying I'm not a metal expert.
I'm just going strictly on my opinion and best determination.

I've personally never had a problem with the lo pro's in the past, always stayed in tune and were so tough, I can beat the **** out of em'.

The edge pro's now, a few of them I could never keep in tune so my tech wanted to replace them all together rather than due the studs and anything else he thought needed strengthening, but I said never mind, he showed me a brand new ash limited, the same one I also had last year, you know the one thats like 60 made or something?
The edge pro was coming out of the wood in the back cavity, it was a real mess, it was basically falling apart.
He'd only had it 6 months on the road, I'd never seen that with my lo pro's, and then it explained the popping on my J7 8127VV, that edge pro kept losing tune, the same BX never did though it also had the edge pro.

Still all of this and reading jemsite, ibanezrules, etc. for all these years, I do even recall Rich saying years ago on ibanezrules when the new trem came out, that there we're some improvements due to the new design, but there was also reason he said and believed it was a down grade from the lo pro.
I'm quite sure, I might not have it quote for quote, but I remember my wheels we're turning with curiosity and I've always respected your expertise and honesty Rich, but I still bought my RGT3120TV that coming year with the new edge pro.
Never had a problem with it, I just liked my lo pro's on my 3120DR & TW more.

Well that's it, just my opinion, and Rich has some excellent points as well, I'm not in agreeance on the trems, as for the necks, suppose now that'd be a preference.

And I think the new J's are beautiful, but the love and attention going into the necks, contruction, expertise, quality, the detail, all the love needed to make a superb instrument as they have, no, I don't think it's as much love, or to say, as good as they use to be...

But I respect anyone's opinion otherwise,
thx.
peace
Andres
05-28-2007 04:17 AM
akoch
Re: Pics of my Ibanez J-Custom & Signature collection

I guess it is entirely subjective. I personally had a better luck with the 99-2001 models. I'm still waiting for Ibanez to come up with a modern-day version if the HRG2000

I'm sure Rich knows better and I take his opinion into consideration. But also Rich has to move the current stuff, he can't dwell on the older day stock.
05-28-2007 02:56 AM
Phishphood42
Re: Pics of my Ibanez J-Custom & Signature collection

PDU OTIO, can you please explain how you can look at a bridge and magically determine what alloys were used in its construction?
05-28-2007 01:53 AM
Rich
Re: Pics of my Ibanez J-Custom & Signature collection

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Originally Posted by buddroyce View Post
The both of us could probably write a masters thesis paper on why the whole thing is a misconception, but why bother?
If you saw me play golf you'd probably ask the same question

58mm necks, very very good improvement

No more 17mm necks, also, very good improvement, to somebody like me that never liked true wizards to begin with.

The 18mm's are a very nice compromise and welcomed by all but the wizard zealots.

The metal is the exact same metal.

Prestige level is down from 05', JC level is not. Current JC level kills anything pre 02'.

I'm not trying to convince anybody, just typing nothing but the truth.
05-28-2007 01:36 AM
P.D.U.-OTIO
Re: Pics of my Ibanez J-Custom & Signature collection

My apologies on thinking you would agree, I can see many reasons why you and others wouldn't.
I debated the facts, opinions, and issues I previously mentioned and there's more I'm sure if I thought about it, still, I fought the obvious last year when I came to realize and admit my opinion to be true.
The necks cuts are 58mm instead of 56mm, the necks on all the prestges in this certain RG pool, are all the same, none are 17mm anymore. You gotta get a certain J, to get the super wizard cut, because there mass producing those necks, filet 5 pc, or 5pc like most were before, not that skinny filet of walnut or bubinga. So it's like those 18mm, 58mm necks are on everything now, the J's and the prestiges, the comment I had was if you have or have owned older J's and newer J's, you can see and feel a difference. At least for me anyway.
And the funny thing is, I'd notice the rgtQ3020 seemed better than the rgtash, and the J's seemed better than any of the prestiges. These were all new Prestiges '05 and '06's comared to the '05 and '04 J's I had.
I just think and feel the older ones are better, period, and the metal is better to, period.
We can have people swing in and out of this topic, pattin each other on the back, or steaming there stew.
But if nothing we say is going to convince the other to say other wise, lets keep it with this in mind.
Beautiful as it is, we all have the freedom to voice our opinion respectfully and possibly, with grace.
Thx. for the input, debates are cool to, if things stay civil.
Peace...
Andres
05-27-2007 11:16 PM
buddroyce
Re: Pics of my Ibanez J-Custom & Signature collection

The current 5 piece neck is **not** new. I have the same construction on my older '00 RG1880S and it's a huge improvement on stability over the older 3 piece maple neck(as was on my old '96 RG1302). Unlike PRS, Carvin and ESP, I don't think Ibanez used the carbon reinforcement rods to support their necks and the 5 piece contruction adds a LOT of stability.

The whole "masterfully crafted" thing on the back of the headstock didn't kick in until '00-'01 for certain models. The old J-Customs prior to that didn't have it. I do however, have to admit that I miss the laminate on the back of the headstock, but it's purely a minor cosmetic improvement. Is it an improvement? Yes. Does it make it worse? No.

Rich, I don't know about you, but this is honestly one of those debates that's going to lead no where because people will always continue to believe that the older is better. The both of us could probably write a masters thesis paper on why the whole thing is a misconception, but why bother?
05-27-2007 11:16 PM
Flobanez
Re: Pics of my Ibanez J-Custom & Signature collection

Very nice! Impressive collection you have there too. Congrats!
05-27-2007 10:46 PM
Rich
Re: Pics of my Ibanez J-Custom & Signature collection

Anybody that actually knows metal knows there is no difference whatsoever.

That they all have the 5 piece lam necks can be nothing but a good thing.

They're far more masterfully crafted now that they don't say it than when they did.

Of course, Budd hits the nail firmly on the head.
05-27-2007 10:41 PM
P.D.U.-OTIO
Re: Pics of my Ibanez J-Custom & Signature collection

Simply the feeling of my 8570mvv '04 and the '06 8127bx and vv I owned, to the onez I have now and then.
The first things I noticed was not just the trem change from lo pro to edge pro, even after you install locking studs quality of metal is simply a down grade, anyone who knows metal can tell the metal used on the new edge pro is not as strong as the metal used on the lo pro.
Aside from that, the necks are now cookie cut feel, it scares me to think even the J's are getting that fillet 5 piece now!
I still think the quality of wood for the bodies of models, even prestige models such as the 3120's, RGT's-high end ones, are for the most part good selection of woods, I've seen, played, owned, my tech and I, and I know you have had even more hands on than anyone.
On the back of the headstock, it doesn't say "Masterfully crafted for unparalleled sound, maximum playability and exquisite beauty" anymore?
There's simply a difference to me, I can feel it.
Just feeling honest.
Peace...
Andres
05-27-2007 10:36 PM
buddroyce
Re: Pics of my Ibanez J-Custom & Signature collection

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Originally Posted by Rich View Post
Exactly what is it about the older models that leads you to the false conclusion that they're somehow better?
Rich, it's part of the standard consumer misconception that older is better and that everything gets worse as mass production and standardization kicks in. Just ignore it man, it's not worth the time to try to convince anyone otherwise(even when you and I both know that earlier generation JC's are no where near the current ones in terms of fit and finish).

Honestly, the only time I've EVER seen an older stock guitar being better than it's true modern equivalent is after it's been worked on by one or more competent guitar techs.
05-27-2007 08:54 PM
Rich
Re: Pics of my Ibanez J-Custom & Signature collection

Exactly what is it about the older models that leads you to the false conclusion that they're somehow better?
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