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07-27-2008 11:41 PM
Rich
Re: JPM100B

Dead Mint new plastic on the guard LNG in HUSA #rd case is $5000-6000. Original Full List price was $1590. YOU paid well over original list price. rbogner paid Renato over $6k when his sold in original shipping box, 3 years ago, add $1k+ to that one today [yes, for the box, no, it wasn't bought to play].

I never said "top" market price, I said "fair". Fair is a price which should be reasonably expected for an item to sell at, or, that normal buyers will readily pay. Not the price everybody with a passing interest would pay.

People are buying Chibanez thinking they're buying the real thing [for the most part], so people will pay $120 for a VWH all day long. Of real JEM buyers, 85% of them would still pay $1200. 50% will pay $1500, 25% will pay $1800, 10% will pay $2k, 1% will pay over retail because they just don't know any better.
07-27-2008 11:26 PM
HDS
Re: JPM100B

Yes thats what I mean.

Well its a for exp. Lets say a Dead ment LNG. I have seen them sell well over the org. 1987 price.

Well the demand in real word is low for a Chibanez, now if they made a great guitar at $120 and people took notice it wouldnt be long and the price would go up. It wasnt the players who would say to them selves "Hey, I wanna pay more for this." Its would be the sellers that woudl say "Hey, lets jack the price up!"

Ok who makes it the fair market value? Does a guy walk into a guitar shop and say "Hey that $500, I'll give ya $1000 for it." Or is it the seller "I'm going to mark this at $1000 even though I paid $500 for it because I know someone will pay $1000 for it."
07-27-2008 11:07 PM
Rich
Re: JPM100B

Then secondary market, private market, etc, would be what you mean.

which guitar is $4000? Without knowing that I can't coment, because plenty of them are $4k or more.

Put your theory to the test on the other end of the scale, say, VWH's for $120. I'm sure they'd still sell, right? You'll actually sell 1000 of them to every one that's $1200 [they're called Chibanez].

A near mint certed P1 at $3000 isn't going to sell as fast, but that doesn't mean $3k+ isn't true fair market value. Anything between $2200 and $3500 would be true market, it all depends on if you want to sell it tomorrow or you can be patient.
07-27-2008 11:01 PM
HDS
Re: JPM100B

Forgot to add that I dont like when Ibanez artificially creat demand buy selling guitars in limited numbers =p
07-27-2008 10:48 PM
HDS
Re: JPM100B

I call after market pricing when something is no longer sold in stores and is re-sold. Or you can call it resale.

"You're way off, somebody out to buy a great playing guitar is paying that much. I very rarely sell guitars to people that are just collecting them. People actually buy guitars to play, oddly enough."

Ok, granted. But that same great playing guitar didnt cost $4000 or what ever when it first sold now did it? And the buyers dont control the price directly, its the sellers who do. The same guitar would still sell if the price was lower. Alot of people say demand etc drive price.. but there will always be demand wether priced low or high, its just those who can make money off demand.
07-27-2008 10:21 PM
Rich
Re: JPM100B

Karma? Jacking somebody would be selling a used VWH for $3000. Selling it for it's true fair market price isn't jacking anybody, and selling it for less sure isn't going to earn you any medals either

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Originally Posted by HDS View Post

P.S WTF is collector sellers? You, you collect and sell. You sell mostly to collectors/players because someone just out to buy a guitar aint going to pay that much.
Also it isnt retail if your selling them its "after market" price.
You're way off, somebody out to buy a great playing guitar is paying that much. I very rarely sell guitars to people that are just collecting them. People actually buy guitars to play, oddly enough.

After market price? You keep trying to make up new terms that don't exist. There's market price, there is no after.
07-27-2008 08:32 PM
HDS
Re: JPM100B

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Originally Posted by Rich View Post
What you sold yours for was probably comensurate with the condition and wanting a fast sale.
Nope, the VWH was in great shape hardly played her, didnt like the neck, I like the 87's better. The BSB was the same shape as the ones you have listed just didnt like the fact that the finish was so unprotected. I wasnt in a rush to sell anything so that didnt play a factor. Im a player not a re-seller and whats wrong with letting something go for what you paid for it? No need to jack anyone..karma.

But im not here to pick on ya Rich you know that but i sure now how to set ya off =)
There isnt nothing wrong with you selling guitars at all.

P.S WTF is collector sellers? You, you collect and sell. You sell mostly to collectors/players because someone just out to buy a guitar aint going to pay that much.
Also it isnt retail if your selling them its "after market" price.
07-27-2008 08:18 PM
CosmicDebris
Re: JPM100B

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Last time I looked it had a mint JS5 at $1650
You got one at that price? I will take it. Finally I got to a good deal before anyone else.
07-27-2008 08:16 PM
Rich
Re: JPM100B

WTF is collector sellers? You trying to make up new vocabulary? It's TRUE retail price is the price it will normally sell for today.

There is a very extensive record of public sales that is much more of a barrometer than that book they forget to update for everything but guitar brands that start with F or G. What does the "book" say a mint 777 should sell for? Last time I looked it had a mint JS5 at $1650

What you sold yours for was probably comensurate with the condition and wanting a fast sale.
07-27-2008 06:54 PM
HDS
Re: JPM100B

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Originally Posted by Rich View Post
The book is so far from reality it's a joke, which is why you like it so much, you know it is. But calling real prices "screw" prices? puhlease.
Well no, not a joke. The collector sellers feed the after market mark up. You dont think if you mark down let say a JEMPCM to its true retail price (what they sold for back in the 90's) that it wouldnt sell? How do think the after market price that you sell them for are "real" prices? There isnt a guide to go on, only thing you can go off is setting a price and seeing if it sells but you cant use that as a beromitor as some people have more money then brains. Just deppends on how bad they want it.

And you can turn this around on me as much as you like, I sold two Jems last, VWH for $1200 and a BSB $1100 and didnt make any money off them, just sold them to people who been wanting one to play. So Im not out to make money off anyone. What I gain for finding a guitar that sells in the collector market for say $2500 and I only paid $800 is a nice guitar that I will enjoy playing. Yes it does make a person LOL that they didnt pay the piper to get it and it makes them a smarter shopper and a richer one too.
07-27-2008 11:36 AM
michblanch
Re: JPM100B

I see absolutely nothing wrong with turning over something.
If it helps people afford other things or to take their family out, then more power to them.


I know if I find a good deal, I would do the same thing and get something I have been after for the last several months................... A full tank of gas.
07-27-2008 06:12 AM
jono
Re: JPM100B

The way I see it is something's only worth what someone will pay for it versus how much you'd be prepared to let it go for. It's being able to find these bargains, act quick enough to secure them and then ensuring you can turn a profit from it.

No harm, no foul if you ask me At least it stops all the guys who pay a lot for their JPMs feeling like they got ripped off
07-27-2008 01:11 AM
Rich
Re: JPM100B

The book is so far from reality it's a joke, which is why you like it so much, you know it is. But calling real prices "screw" prices? puhlease.
07-27-2008 12:54 AM
HDS
Re: JPM100B

Well, I unlike everyone who does knows that if a re-seller can find them so can I. The book isnt a joke to me, its helps me and you find them for good prices off retail outlets.
07-27-2008 12:20 AM
Rich
Re: JPM100B

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Originally Posted by HDS View Post
I would never pay an over inflated "colletor" screw job price. Good thing I find music shops that sell them at book.
You mean the price everybody [but you] is willing to pay?

The book is a joke and you know it.
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