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09-29-2008 10:40 AM
bucket_bot
Re: Jem7vwh + what non-Carvin amp for Vai sound

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Originally Posted by GTR-MAN View Post
I had a Carvin Legacy combo, louder than most 1/2 & full stacks I've played. Geat sound, but too loud for bedrooms, apartments, & some small clubs. I got rid of it because of bills, but I bought a THD hotplate that solved my loudness issue & gave me all the tone I needed. So if you really want that Vai sound & worry about volume, the THD hotplate works awesome. I kept my hotplate because I hope to get another one someday when I get my bills in order. Right now I play through a Marshall Micro stack. I don't really go for Vai's tone, so not sure if that would work for you. I suppose it's possible. I always try to sound how I like to in my head which is close to vai's sound. More like hetfield rythem sound with a vai lead.
Your absolutely right. The Legacy is seriosly Loud! I tame mine a bit by using a Boss Space Echo in the Loop which has an input level knob.
Allows you to turn the Volume Knob on the amp up higher than 0.5!! & control the Overall Level using the knob on the Space Echo.
Works a treat!!

I would definitely suggest checking out the X100B which unlike the Legacy really can be used at Bedroom Levels.
I am able to use mine at home on the 25 Watt setting with the Clean Channel on 8 and the Lead Channel on 5 with the Master Volume set at around 4.

So Far the Police haven't called!!
09-29-2008 10:01 AM
GTR-MAN
Re: Jem7vwh + what non-Carvin amp for Vai sound

I had a Carvin Legacy combo, louder than most 1/2 & full stacks I've played. Geat sound, but too loud for bedrooms, apartments, & some small clubs. I got rid of it because of bills, but I bought a THD hotplate that solved my loudness issue & gave me all the tone I needed. So if you really want that Vai sound & worry about volume, the THD hotplate works awesome. I kept my hotplate because I hope to get another one someday when I get my bills in order. Right now I play through a Marshall Micro stack. I don't really go for Vai's tone, so not sure if that would work for you. I suppose it's possible. I always try to sound how I like to in my head which is close to vai's sound. More like hetfield rythem sound with a vai lead.
09-29-2008 08:56 AM
fastonebaz
Re: Jem7vwh + what non-Carvin amp for Vai sound

hey thanks guys for the input, yes you're right about getting my own sound but right now whilst I'm enthused by learning to place some of his pieces, I'm kind of trying to get his sound first.

Spent some time learning sections to Whisphering a Prayer last night. my sound was much thinner than his but that's probably as he uses the sustainer guitar right? But of course, it was his masterful subtle technique and control that was hardest to emulate. More practise required for the volume and trem bar control (on almost every note!).

Might have to check out some of those Carvins then. I do have a marshall stack to sell so that might generate some for it.

thanks
09-26-2008 09:57 PM
Bowie
Re: Jem7vwh + what non-Carvin amp for Vai sound

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Originally Posted by Oracle13 View Post
Yikes!!! Why would anyone want anyone else's sound but one that was their own sound??? Besides, real tone comes from the left hand. You want to sound like Vai? You're going to hafta kidnap Vai and have a team of surgeons transplant his left hand onto your left arm.
Very true! I have hands that look almost the same as his and I cannot, for the life of me, play with my fingers positioned like he does. I'm sure everybody has seen the way he lays his fingers almost flat. Things like that play a big part in the way the axe sings.
09-26-2008 08:46 PM
Oracle13
Re: Jem7vwh + what non-Carvin amp for Vai sound

Yikes!!! Why would anyone want anyone else's sound but one that was their own sound??? Besides, real tone comes from the left hand. You want to sound like Vai? You're going to hafta kidnap Vai and have a team of surgeons transplant his left hand onto your left arm.
09-26-2008 06:12 PM
Bowie
Re: Jem7vwh + what non-Carvin amp for Vai sound

I think it's been proven that his amp sound is not particularly hard to get. The guitar and pickups seems to matter much more than the amp and itself when it comes's to Steve's tone.

That line about "the Vai sound that we're surely all craving" went over my head completely. I love Steve and all but the only guitar tones of his that I ever cared for were on Passion and Warfare and, as I recently discovered, a lot of that tone is the PAF PRO's.
09-26-2008 06:08 PM
bucket_bot
Re: Jem7vwh + what non-Carvin amp for Vai sound

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Originally Posted by jordancoffin View Post
I have a Carvin Legacy, and first of all while it is ridiculously loud at times, contrary to popular belief (on the Carvin forum), the Legacy sounds GREAT at lower volumes. As for the price issue, Carvins are competitively priced compared to the rest of the market. I was looking at a Peavey JSX before i got my Legacy, and that would have costed me $1,999.99 plus taxes where I live. The Legacy costed me $1,340 shipping included to arrive at my door. I would recommend Carvin before all other amps really, especially considering the price. I'm not saying they are the best amps on Earth, but for the price you pay, you do actually get a hell of a deal.
Completely agree...Carvins are awesome!

Here's my other one! Bought the head on fleabay for 300, had it recovered & a custom cab made to match, I fitted new tubes & re-bias it & now better than new!


09-26-2008 06:01 PM
bucket_bot
Re: Jem7vwh + what non-Carvin amp for Vai sound

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Originally Posted by fastonebaz View Post
Just thinking non-carvin because they're really loud and expensive. As mainly a bedroom player I need something I don't have to crank up to rehearsal room levels to get a nice sound from. Ideally I'd have a lovely barn out the back and make it into my practise room with a wall of cabs behind me...! need to win the lottery first though...
Appreciate what your saying.
Have you considered the X100B?
It has a 25 Watt setting and will produce awesome tones even at low volumes.

You can get the combo for Just over 700 in the UK here:

http://www.rockstarguitar.co.uk/Deta...27&category=13

I got my head there. Really nice guy to deal with as well.

09-26-2008 05:53 PM
jordancoffin
Re: Jem7vwh + what non-Carvin amp for Vai sound

I have a Carvin Legacy, and first of all while it is ridiculously loud at times, contrary to popular belief (on the Carvin forum), the Legacy sounds GREAT at lower volumes. As for the price issue, Carvins are competitively priced compared to the rest of the market. I was looking at a Peavey JSX before i got my Legacy, and that would have costed me $1,999.99 plus taxes where I live. The Legacy costed me $1,340 shipping included to arrive at my door. I would recommend Carvin before all other amps really, especially considering the price. I'm not saying they are the best amps on Earth, but for the price you pay, you do actually get a hell of a deal.
09-26-2008 05:31 PM
fastonebaz
Re: Jem7vwh + what non-Carvin amp for Vai sound

Just thinking non-carvin because they're really loud and expensive. As mainly a bedroom player I need something I don't have to crank up to rehearsal room levels to get a nice sound from. Ideally I'd have a lovely barn out the back and make it into my practise room with a wall of cabs behind me...! need to win the lottery first though...
09-24-2008 03:06 PM
bucket_bot
Re: Jem7vwh + what non-Carvin amp for Vai sound

Hi Mate, Why Non Carvin?
09-23-2008 04:44 PM
jordancoffin
Re: Jem7vwh + what non-Carvin amp for Vai sound

Bogner XTC.
09-23-2008 10:02 AM
sweetnsour30
Re: Jem7vwh + what non-Carvin amp for Vai sound

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Originally Posted by fastonebaz View Post
Yeah I watched many of Cesar's clips and man he is awesome, he really nails the tones and the switching of sounds mid song (Boston Rain Melody) and gets really close to the exact notes as far as I can tell. He's the best I've seen by some margin. An hes younger than me darn it!

I'm really looking for the fairly recent Vai like Alive in an Ultra world live sound.

I've tried a few DS1s and I know he's had them in his rig but I just think they sound awful on their own in the amps I've tried them with (Peaveys, Marshalls, Fender).

I guess what I need is a low wattage tube amp, with a 12" speaker in it, drive it hard and stick a Boss DD3 in the effects loop and then I'll be there.

Does he use the Boss CS3 or not?
I also love his Live sound on Alive in an Ultra World, it's so musical. He's using Carvin Legacys there, I own one myself, and they are loud puppies !! too loud for the places I play in. And they have to be cranked to sound good, but Steve doesn't have any problems there
09-23-2008 05:30 AM
fastonebaz
Re: Jem7vwh + what non-Carvin amp for Vai sound

Yeah I watched many of Cesar's clips and man he is awesome, he really nails the tones and the switching of sounds mid song (Boston Rain Melody) and gets really close to the exact notes as far as I can tell. He's the best I've seen by some margin. An hes younger than me darn it!

I'm really looking for the fairly recent Vai like Alive in an Ultra world live sound.

I've tried a few DS1s and I know he's had them in his rig but I just think they sound awful on their own in the amps I've tried them with (Peaveys, Marshalls, Fender).

I guess what I need is a low wattage tube amp, with a 12" speaker in it, drive it hard and stick a Boss DD3 in the effects loop and then I'll be there.

Does he use the Boss CS3 or not?
09-23-2008 04:30 AM
Lefty Robb
Re: Jem7vwh + what non-Carvin amp for Vai sound

Cesar Huesca can nail every one of Vai's tone with a Mesa Rectifier recording preamp into a little marshall.
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