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05-25-2009 12:10 AM
MTM2-live
Re: Need help dating my RG550DY

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Guitars become collector’s items more than instruments to make music on and are judged after price more than quality. Old Fender and Gibson really are like that, you get a higher price if the pickguard screws are original that if it is a really good guitar.

Noting really wrong with it, I just don’t look at guitars like that myself, there just tools.
/Magnus
I couldn't agree more, I love my Anniversary DY so much that I'm considering selling the original. The neck on the Anniversary is infinitly better than orig.

The 2 things that are holding me back from just putting it up for auction are:
1. Sentimental (as all the guitars I've owned have)
2. I'm a collector (not just guitars many things), but I'm definitely not in the category of "I need the original pickguard screws" guy!
05-24-2009 10:51 AM
Ibanez-Mag
Re: Need help dating my RG550DY

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Originally Posted by jono View Post
I think we might be a bit at cross purposes as you seem to be saying what I'm trying to say, that back in the good old days, there wasnt all the "what year?" talk surrounding Ibanez guitars. And back then I reckon a good 93 would almost certainly have got you more than a bad 87.

There's also the fact that back "before the internet" the new Ibanez were "new" and the old ones were "old" and in no way "vintage" there hadn't been time for an RG to be vintage when it was only 5 or 6 years old.

BUT... That's going back 15 years or so...

Sorry, then I misunderstood you (I blame being Swedish and sucking a English ).

But we have only had the year talk about Ibanez for the last 2-3 years or so (and 3-4 among the real fanatics). Many models that are very hot out in the real world are impossible to sell for other the peanuts here in Sweden. I have found AT100’s (both new and used), RBM2NT, Turbot, all sorts of JEM and RG hanging in shops for years and no one buying them (even if the price have been very low on some of them).
I bought a near mint RBM2NT for 400 USD in a shop 4 years ago (and it had been hanging there for many years).

Most of “finding these great ones for no money” have disappeared the last 2-3 years.

/Magnus
05-24-2009 08:38 AM
jono
Re: Need help dating my RG550DY

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Originally Posted by Ibanez-Mag View Post
I agree with you a bit, but Internet shopping for used gear was going on for years before the “year” talk came into the picture with brands like Ibanez.

I’m pretty sure a good 93 would not get you more than a bad 87.
I think we might be a bit at cross purposes as you seem to be saying what I'm trying to say, that back in the good old days, there wasnt all the "what year?" talk surrounding Ibanez guitars. And back then I reckon a good 93 would almost certainly have got you more than a bad 87.

There's also the fact that back "before the internet" the new Ibanez were "new" and the old ones were "old" and in no way "vintage" there hadn't been time for an RG to be vintage when it was only 5 or 6 years old.

BUT... That's going back 15 years or so...
05-24-2009 08:27 AM
Ibanez-Mag
Re: Need help dating my RG550DY

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Originally Posted by MTM2-live View Post
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the middle and bridge pickup where replaced. The bridge pickup has the V2 on it but the Neck pickup doesnt have the V1.

It's not un-common to replace the hardware on these guits as IMO they dont come with great components and I've upgraded many of my guitars with quality components.
For sure, I don't think I have any guitars (yeah I do, some that I never play and haven’t cared to change them) that are 100 % stock. I most of the time change them before I even plug them in (I always change the switch and pots directly).

/Magnus
05-24-2009 08:23 AM
Ibanez-Mag
Re: Need help dating my RG550DY

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Originally Posted by jono View Post
This is only true now we buy and sell over the internet. It goes on a write up and a few photos posted on the 'bay. "back in the day" when we used to play guitars before we bought them, a good 93 WOULD get you more than a bad 87.

Wihout wanting to hi-jack the thread I'd love to know where all the second hand guitars have gone from guitar shops. i can only presume hat they live solely on the internet now!

I agree with you a bit, but Internet shopping for used gear was going on for years before the “year” talk came into the picture with brands like Ibanez. And even more, I travel around on guitar shows doing clinics for Ibanez and DiMarzio and the “older – more expensive” is very much the same there, people can try the guitars until they are blue in the face if they want to.

I’m pretty sure a good 93 would not get you more than a bad 87.
It is very, very few guitarist out there that seem to trust their own “this is a really good copy of this model” instinct.

I basically think that it is the “Vintage, older = better hype” sickness that has gone into Ibanez buyer to. Guitars become collector’s items more than instruments to make music on and are judged after price more than quality. Old Fender and Gibson really are like that, you get a higher price if the pickguard screws are original that if it is a really good guitar.

Noting really wrong with it, I just don’t look at guitars like that myself, there just tools.

Never mind, sorry for going OT in the tread.

/Magnus
05-23-2009 02:41 PM
scottop1972
Re: Need help dating my RG550DY

who gives a crap what year it is.... i am much more interested in the specs. neck type, color, condition, pup configuration, hardware condition, when looking at the RG's/.....

just my 2 cents.
05-23-2009 02:39 PM
scottop1972
Re: Need help dating my RG550DY

if it has v pups doesnt that make it newer rather than older? i thought the old ones had ibz usa pups?
05-23-2009 10:02 AM
MTM2-live
Re: Need help dating my RG550DY

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Originally Posted by Ibanez-Mag View Post
The guitar is not an 87.
It is 92 or 93 (I think).

The 87’s don’t have foil under the whole pickguard.

I don’t think the middle pickup is original and the switch is not (at least not compared to the 87 I have in my knee right now).
/Magnus
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the middle and bridge pickup where replaced. The bridge pickup has the V2 on it but the Neck pickup doesnt have the V1.

It's not un-common to replace the hardware on these guits as IMO they dont come with great components and I've upgraded many of my guitars with quality components.
05-23-2009 09:49 AM
MTM2-live
Re: Need help dating my RG550DY

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Originally Posted by jono View Post
Wihout wanting to hi-jack the thread I'd love to know where all the second hand guitars have gone from guitar shops. i can only presume hat they live solely on the internet now!
There is much more incentive to sell you own guitar over the internet for many reasons.
1 being wider exposure.
2 you will get more money (even Rich at IBANEZ RULES will tell you he can not give you the full value of your guitar b/c he needs to resell it and make it profitable for him.)

it's becoming more rare for me to play a guitar before I buy it, especially a used one.
Sadly, many of the smaller shops cant compete with GIANTS like Guitar Center and Musicians friend, so there are fewer and fewer every year, like most Mom + Pop businesses in todays corporate, mass produced market.
Long gone are the days when you could walk into a pawn shop and find a sweet deal on a vintage guitar.
The instant access to information the internet has to offer has definitely affected the price of vintage gear.
05-23-2009 07:57 AM
jono
Re: Need help dating my RG550DY

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Originally Posted by Ibanez-Mag View Post
True, he probably would, because it already are like it is with Fender and Gibson, that the price of the guitar is not decided on its quality (and original sale price), it is decided on what year it was made. A bad 87 will give you more money than a good 93.


/Magnus
This is only true now we buy and sell over the internet. It goes on a write up and a few photos posted on the 'bay. "back in the day" when we used to play guitars before we bought them, a good 93 WOULD get you more than a bad 87.

Wihout wanting to hi-jack the thread I'd love to know where all the second hand guitars have gone from guitar shops. i can only presume hat they live solely on the internet now!
05-23-2009 07:41 AM
Ibanez-Mag
Re: Need help dating my RG550DY

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Originally Posted by MTM2-live View Post
I agree completely! If I decide to sell the guitar though I would assume the buyer would like to know what they are getting.
True, he probably would, because it already are like it is with Fender and Gibson, that the price of the guitar is not decided on its quality (and original sale price), it is decided on what year it was made. A bad 87 will give you more money than a good 93.

And we all know where it ends, Ibanez adds with “now we use the exact same machine that we winded the original and magic 87 V-pickups and we have even hired the guy who originally winded them son too”.

Don't get me wrong, it is great for me since I have loads of late 80's RG guitars.


/Magnus
05-23-2009 05:08 AM
MTM2-live
Re: Need help dating my RG550DY

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Originally Posted by Ibanez-Mag View Post
The guitar is not an 87.

But please don’t turn Ibanez into ridiculous Fender/Gibson “what year is it” or “is it original”.

/Magnus
I agree completely! If I decide to sell the guitar though I would assume the buyer would like to know what they are getting.
05-22-2009 10:55 PM
Ibanez-Mag
Re: Need help dating my RG550DY

The guitar is not an 87.
It is 92 or 93 (I think).


The 87’s don’t have foil under the whole pickguard.

I don’t think the middle pickup is original and the switch is not (at least not compared to the 87 I have in my knee right now).

But please don’t turn Ibanez into ridiculous Fender/Gibson “what year is it” or “is it original”.
I have loads of late 80’s 550’s and loads of new, the old ones are not better guitars then the newer ones. It is, in my opinion, just “raise the price talk” from people who have the older ones.

/Magnus
05-22-2009 10:32 PM
MTM2-live
Re: Need help dating my RG550DY

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Originally Posted by seafoamer View Post
I'd date-rape that gtr.
you wouldnt have to it's a total slut!
05-22-2009 09:50 PM
seafoamer
Re: Need help dating my RG550DY

I'd date-rape that gtr.
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