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06-03-2002 12:23 PM
GuitarLunatic
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Originally Posted by Guitarlos2
I agree with Kremlin here. Many Stratocasters are great guitars and Ive played and enjoyed mine for years. Ive always been a firm believer that if you want a Strat sound, buy a Strat!! People try to buy other guitars and pickups to emulate the sound (many fairly successful) but why buy choice B cause it can sound like choice A?? Just buy choice A!! ok, bad analogy but im sure you get the point
I totally disagree with you guys. A G&L is more of a true Fender than a Fender is. Fender was sold 37 years ago. G&L is the company that Leo created and died at. Do you honestly think that Leo Fender would've just churned out the same ol' same ol' for 40 years if he remained the man at Fender? DOUBTFUL! The guy was always creating and changing things. He's probably rolling in his grave thinking about all the reissues and re-reissues and relics (LOL). Go ahead and buy a Fender, I don't care. I was just trying to give you a better option. One other thing to consider - Fender has the worst customer service I've ever come across. G&L the best. Just another data point to think about when plunking down your bucks.

Later,
G
06-02-2002 11:09 PM
jem7vwh Someone record the data and time! I agree with Jeffrey. I HATE instruments/gear that try to be ultra-versatile. They try to be good at everything but they end up being mediocre in every way. I know there's lots of financially-challenged folks whose POD is as close as they'll come to a Rectifier or a Laney or a Bogner or whatever sound they think they're approximating but the bottom line is- it's not the same. Same goes for guitars. It's why I hate Godins and Hamers. I know they're supposed to be these versatile machines that are equally adept at playing rock and jazz etc. IMO, they end up being crap at both. If I want a Fender sound- chances are really good I'll buy a fender. If I want an Ibanez sound- I'm not going to compromise on a photo-flame jackson with SD "designed" pickups- I'll buy the JEM.

I know everyone's looking for that pie-in-the-sky deal where you get 5 guitars for the price of one- but face it- it doesn't exist. If you want the real deal- you got pay the real price.
06-02-2002 09:51 PM
jeffrey Valid points but...

One amp being able to model 10 amp sounds only matters if they sound good.

IMO, Line 6 amps sound pretty crappy. I don't care for'em at all.

Maybe for just a practice amp or something, but no way as my main rig.
06-02-2002 09:12 PM
Two hands31 I bought a Line6 because I wanted like 5 of the amps it can "model". I buy stuff for versatility and originality. Yes, I like the Strat sound, but I also like a bunch of other sounds too. And I can't afford buying like 20 guitars and 5 amps.
06-02-2002 09:02 PM
JESTER700 I like my Yamahas because they cop a strat well, but play like a much more modern machine. THAT's why people don't buy a standard strat...
06-02-2002 02:06 PM
Guitarlos2 I agree with Kremlin here. Many Stratocasters are great guitars and Ive played and enjoyed mine for years. Ive always been a firm believer that if you want a Strat sound, buy a Strat!! People try to buy other guitars and pickups to emulate the sound (many fairly successful) but why buy choice B cause it can sound like choice A?? Just buy choice A!! ok, bad analogy but im sure you get the point

The whole idea of buying something to sound like something else is kinda ridiculous to me. Some people run out and buy a Line 6 because they want a dual rectifier sound, and it can model that!! Guess what, its not quite the same. They never completely are either.... Find a nice Strat in good shape and go for it.
05-31-2002 10:55 PM
rlintz I have to agree with those that have recommended G&L. My Legacy absolutely smokes my American Deluxe Strat. Yes, this is due in large part to the lifeless Noiseless pups but you can't go wrong with a G&L. And used, they go incredibly cheap. G&L also sells the exact pups featured in the Legacy.
05-28-2002 04:21 PM
jay ratkowski For some pickups, try Lindy Fralin.
05-28-2002 03:39 PM
jeffrey I have a Fender American Standard Hardtail, maple fingerboard, tabacco sunburst, stock except for a vintage white pearloid pickguard.

I'd always wanted a hardtail strat with a maple fingerboard. Just bone stock.

I paid about $700 for it with a case (just above cost for a true Amer Standard) from my buddy here in SA.

I like it a lot. I'm going to leave it alone and let it remain a Strat.
05-28-2002 09:22 AM
Gresh Be careful to play several strats...like has been said, consistency is not fender's hallmark. Plus, the reissues...at least the older copies have positively tiny frets. It will be nearly unplayable compared to your Jems. You'd be better off with non-re-issue model. I also can't find an appreciable difference between the american strats and the mexican or japanese ones in feel or tone, the main difference appears to be about $400 bucks.

G&Ls are great guitars, but more expensive. I used to have a 79 strat that I loved to death, sold it to get my UV777BK and have never looked back. If I got another strat it would be a Japanese one bought off ebay or something for about $200.
05-16-2002 09:00 PM
Kremlin I'm a little surprised at just how many people here don't own a strat already; it's the meat and potatos of the electric guitar!

Strats are great, I don't know why so many people are ragging on them all the time. They have a nice quack, they're sensitive to picking dynamics, and there's just nothing like a good strat. Granted, Fender has some of the crappiest consistency I have ever seen in a gutiar manufacturer. Go to a HUGE guitar store and try every Fender Strat they have. I guarantee you if they have 50, no more than 2 or 3 of them will feel, play, or sound roughly the same. I went strat hunting many years ago and played a lot of real crappers before I found the one for me: a 1996 Fender Strat Plus. It has matte finish hardware, mother of pearl pickguard, gold lace sensor pickups, and locking machine heads. I've never owned another guitar that's more stable tuning-wise, and I do divebombs on a non-locking trem! It was the first guitar I had that I did a lot of serious playing on and I never knew why people used humbuckers to avoid hum, because these pickups are dead silent. It plays like BUTTER and sounds amazing. I love this strat and wouldn't trade it for all the VWHs or JS10ths in the world.

There are also a lot of total **** strats. Don't play one or two and assume that they're a good representation of all the others out there. About a year and a half ago I was looking to spend about $1100 on a really nice Telecaster. I tried dozens, and ended up buying a $350 Mexican made one that had damage on the neck heel, but its tone just blew the others away. I don't get Fender, they have absolutely no manufacturing consistency whatsoever!

That being said, do NOT buy a strat without playing it first. Bad move.

Since Fender made some revisions to its American line, I can honestly say that the average American strat is a bit better quality. There's this BRIGHT blue one at the local guitar store I've been eying for a while, but money's a wee bit tight. Also, I've heard great things about Lindy Fralin pickups.. I'm itching to put them into a strat some time. If you're willing to spend more money, check out the Tom Anderson Drop Top Classic. I tried one a few months back and it absolutely blew me away.
05-16-2002 08:30 PM
vaijem777 Hamer no longer makes the USA Daytona...they're more focused on high-quality carved top electrics now But, the Daytonas were nice axes. I guess my philosophy is, why get a Strat COPY when you can get the real thing?

I've had at least one Strat at all times for the last 12 years. I love em! They do their own thing very well. I had as many as a dozen at one time, and have run the gamut from vintage Pre-CBS Strats to the current signature models, and everything in between. Right now, I've got what has come to be my "perfect" Strat: a Custom Shop 1960's Relic. All the feel and mojo of a vintage Strat with none of the worry about value!

You can pick up used American Standard Strats for around $500 and up these days...great values!
05-16-2002 07:51 PM
jem7vwh Hey guys, I appreciate the comments.

In regards to the suggestions that I upgrade to a guitar that does everything a strat does, plus more: (Hamers, Carvins, and guitars with humbuckers) - I don't want a guitar that does more. I tend to think when a guitar tries to be too many things, it succeeds in none. I bought my JEM because it's an all out rock machine. The things I can play on that guitar are so much easier than on any other. But for my clean and bluesy stuff, I just want a strat. I'm sure that Hamers probably sound mostly like a Strat, but for my money, I don't want almost. I will consider G&L because I like them a lot and they stay true to the strat design (ie. 3 single coils, 22 frets, standard trem).
05-16-2002 07:39 PM
caprile i would recommend trying a USA hamer daytona. i've never played a G&L or carvin, but this thing is better than any usa fender strat IMHO. plus, wilkinson trem, sperzels and duncans are stock. (those duncans are the quietest single coils i've heard)
05-16-2002 12:10 PM
GuitarLunatic Hey Jem7VWH,

I forgot to mention, if you do look into G&Ls at all - check out the Legacy Special as well. This is a very underrated guitar. It has 3 single-coil-sized dual-blade humbuckers. Setting the volume, treble, and bass controls properly you can get very nice chimey Strat sounds. But you also have the flexibility of getting nice thick hunbucker sounds. Plus the pickups are silent of course. A sweet guitar and one of my favorite G&L models.

I recently bought a regular Legacy that has the Power Blade in the bridge position and the standard alnico single coils in the middle and neck. I love this guitar!

I hope this helps somewhat,
G
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