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Mustaine-who? 11-15-2009 08:55 AM

Xiphos
 
Sooooo...I walked into a local mom and pop store, and they had a 27 fret Xiphos hanging on the wall. I played it and reeeaaally dug it. I really liked the neck. Thicker than an original Wizard I've played...and not as wide as the USA Custom I use to own.

But...its MII...Indonesia....

I admit it...I'm a MIJ snob. I don't care for MIK, MII, MIC (CZ)...or any others....

Am I screwed???

C.Thep 11-15-2009 10:16 AM

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Wellz...even alot of pro players are using MII Xiphos's. Jack Owen for instance. If you like it that much, then that should be enough to get over your MIJ snobery shouldn't it?

AxeHappy 11-15-2009 01:05 PM

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If you like the guitar why would you care where it's made?

Jack Secret 11-15-2009 01:29 PM

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Well, if one wants a Xiphos, Indonesian is the only way to get it. They seem to be really well made so if you like it, go for it.

Mustaine-who? 11-15-2009 05:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AxeHappy (Post 963777)
If you like the guitar why would you care where it's made?

Why do people pay more for MIA or MIJ guitars? Quality? Quality of the wood...of the electronics...of the hardware...of the paint...of the finish detail. To say "ah who cares where its made" is really kinda ignorant...and ignores the skill set of the production factory and the level of detail Ibanez is willing to pay the production people for the finished product.

jono 11-15-2009 05:42 PM

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It's not where it's made it's how it's made.

It's just at the moment, the two are usually taken as being synonymous.

jono 11-15-2009 05:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by C.Thep (Post 963748)
Wellz...even alot of pro players are using MII Xiphos's. Jack Owen for instance.

Hate to say it but... Jack who?

Magical Muffin 11-15-2009 06:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jono (Post 963838)
Hate to say it but... Jack who?

A quick trip to wikipedia can usually remedy such questions.

Quote:

associated acts
Cannibal Corpse
Deicide
Adrift
There you go.


As for the guitar, if the finish is good, neck is up to snuff, and electronics are not messy, it is a good guitar. It's origin has little factor in it's quality. Many korean guitars (such as higher end LTDs) can smoke many MIJ and MIA guitars out of the water.

AxeHappy 11-15-2009 06:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mustaine-who? (Post 963833)
Why do people pay more for MIA or MIJ guitars? Quality? Quality of the wood...of the electronics...of the hardware...of the paint...of the finish detail. To say "ah who cares where its made" is really kinda ignorant...and ignores the skill set of the production factory and the level of detail Ibanez is willing to pay the production people for the finished product.

Except...that you said you liked the guitar. Not getting a guitar you really liked simply because it's made not in Japan or what it quite simply stupid.

As for the quality of the hardware, the 27 fret Xiphos has a fixed bridge so you don't have to deal with the Edge 3. It comes with Dimarzio pups.

And again, unless you like bad quality you already know it's a good quality guitar. So, what's the problem?

toshiro 11-15-2009 07:07 PM

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I have a 2009 Xiphos, and 3 MIJ RGs. The Xiphos is not the same quality level, but after a level and recrown(and some hardware swaps) it plays great.

PS: The 27 Fret Xiphos has an Edge III, but there are stop-tail versions of the 24 fret model.

AxeHappy 11-15-2009 09:59 PM

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Well, humdinger. I thought it was fixed.

prydogga 11-16-2009 01:58 AM

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To me, the only thing that lets down non MIJ,LACS,MIA Ibby's is the neck, and if I was getting a Xiphos I'd refinish it with a natural neck, so I can sand the profile to a nice feeling, so it's not a deterrant for me.

jono 11-16-2009 06:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Magical Muffin (Post 963846)
A quick trip to wikipedia can usually remedy such questions.



There you go.


As for the guitar, if the finish is good, neck is up to snuff, and electronics are not messy, it is a good guitar. It's origin has little factor in it's quality. Many korean guitars (such as higher end LTDs) can smoke many MIJ and MIA guitars out of the water.

so it can

I thought I didn't recognise him from all the guitar magazine covers he's not been on ;)

My own lack of familiarity aside, it's good to see that someone who's a working musician in what are seemingly big bands for that genre that is vouching for teh quality of instruments from these territories :)

C.Thep 11-16-2009 02:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jono (Post 963940)
so it can

I thought I didn't recognise him from all the guitar magazine covers he's not been on ;)

My own lack of familiarity aside, it's good to see that someone who's a working musician in what are seemingly big bands for that genre that is vouching for teh quality of instruments from these territories :)

Sorry, next time I mention an artist endorsement, I'll make sure you know who it is before hand. Obviously people you don't know are just completely irrelevant to any discussion. I was going to mention that Peter Joseph uses a MII Xiphos too, but whats the point...

jono 11-17-2009 02:09 AM

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If I don't know, there's a good chance LOTS of folks don't know. So actually you're right, what IS the point? :rolleyes:

If you said, Joe Smith of the band blahblahblah, it might help somewhat. But to select guys who aren't mainstream "guitar heroes" and post up their names like they are and expect to make a valid point ...

I'm not trying to discourage you from posting up these guys, I'm trying to encourage you to include other forumites in the discussion by helping hem understand the points you're trying to make.

C.Thep 11-17-2009 02:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jono (Post 964182)
If I don't know, there's a good chance LOTS of folks don't know. So actually you're right, what IS the point? :rolleyes:

If you said, Joe Smith of the band blahblahblah, it might help somewhat. But to select guys who aren't mainstream "guitar heroes" and post up their names like they are and expect to make a valid point ...

I'm not trying to discourage you from posting up these guys, I'm trying to encourage you to include other forumites in the discussion by helping hem understand the points you're trying to make.

My point was that pro players are using MII Xiphos guitars. I could have stopped there but gave an example, and if a person cares enough, they can look it up themselves, since my point wasn't to inform people what very famous bands Jack Owen is in.

Secondly, the Xiphos is obviously marketed to extreme-metal guitarists. A large number of these guitarists would know who Jack Owen is, either through Cannibal Corpse or Deicide: two of the most popular extreme bands. If you don't know who Cannibal Corpse is, then that is not my problem.

Now, I have no idea who Omar Rodriquez Lopez is, or what band he plays in, but he has his own signature Ibanez. So it is safe to assume, that he is a pro player and is well known. But you wont see me crying in a thread about the ORM1 saying "Lopez who?".

toshiro 11-17-2009 07:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by C.Thep (Post 964052)
I was going to mention that Peter Joseph uses a MII Xiphos too, but whats the point...

I would avoid using Peter as a reference, as he's now a Suhr user/endorser(not to mention a huge gear whore). :lol:

AxeHappy 11-17-2009 10:23 AM

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I dunno, Suhr doesn't have a lot of endorsement deals. Especially not for metal players. If he's good enough to get one with Suhr and he said the MII Xiphos was a good guitar, I'd say that speaks volumes.

Of course if he does just say what he is paid to then it's fail.

toshiro 11-17-2009 10:30 AM

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Well, based on message board posts, Id say he was playing the Suhrs while being an "Ibanez guy". I don't think he was ever using nothing but the Xiphos, seems more like a transition period between his Caparisons and Suhr. He sold at least one of the guitars Ibanez sent him on HC not long after that vid was posted on Ibanez's site..

He did say it was nice guitar though. :lol:

C.Thep 11-17-2009 12:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by toshiro (Post 964221)
I would avoid using Peter as a reference, as he's now a Suhr user/endorser(not to mention a huge gear whore). :lol:

true...but dear lord, who wouldn't want to play on his purple Suhr? Its effin gorgeous.

toshiro 11-17-2009 12:52 PM

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To be honest, I don't like Suhr's Modern shape, I'd rather have a Xiphos(just not in a flat finish, and prefer the reverse head). :lol:

jono 11-17-2009 01:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by C.Thep (Post 964184)
My point was that pro players are using MII Xiphos guitars. I could have stopped there but gave an example, and if a person cares enough, they can look it up themselves, since my point wasn't to inform people what very famous bands Jack Owen is in.

Secondly, the Xiphos is obviously marketed to extreme-metal guitarists. A large number of these guitarists would know who Jack Owen is, either through Cannibal Corpse or Deicide: two of the most popular extreme bands. If you don't know who Cannibal Corpse is, then that is not my problem.

Now, I have no idea who Omar Rodriquez Lopez is, or what band he plays in, but he has his own signature Ibanez. So it is safe to assume, that he is a pro player and is well known. But you wont see me crying in a thread about the ORM1 saying "Lopez who?".

You made a good point, poorly. Accept it and move on. I was trying to say that a guy who a lot of jemsite members might not know of might not be the best example of a "pro player", but most folks here should at least know of Cannibal Corpse if nothing more so it might have been a good idea to let folks know that... I don't think it's your problem, but it certainly isn't mine.

Oh and... I wasn't aware I was "crying in a thread", but if you feel you upset me you could always say sorry ;)

prydogga 11-18-2009 02:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by C.Thep (Post 964292)
true...but dear lord, who wouldn't want to play on his purple Suhr? Its effin gorgeous.

You should see his newest Suhr, the paint makes up for the body shape IMO.


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