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Ok. So...

I've been playing for about a year and 3 months now...

I'm 14 years old...

My whole school of like 5,000 kids thinks that I'm a prodigy? I guess...

I can play pretty fast right now...but I'm no Paul Gilbert...not even close...and basically my question to you all is...

Do I have to kind of be born with the ability to move my fingers extremely fast...or as I get older and more accustomed to the instrument and practice more will my ability to play fast (and clearly) increase...

The only reason I'm asking is because no matter how hard I actually TRY to move my fingers extremely fast I can't because it's like impossible right now...

So basically I just wanted to know if as I get better at the guitar will it actually become easier to play faster?

I know the guitar isn't about speed...that's why I listen to Vai a lot...because in his music he doesn't try to be the fastest. He tries to be the most melodic I guess.
 

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how modest.
ever heard, "practice makes perfect" before? you can be born with a natural ability to play, but you also can learn with time. once you are accustomed to playing faster, it should be "no sweat." sorry for being cliche. ;)
 

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Wow! I hope that modest thing was sarcasm...because I just read over everything that I wrote and it sounded SOOO concieted....SOOOOOO concieted to the tenth power squared...hahaha...


I'm not really like that...and the prodigy thing...I'm totally against...I think people here have just never seen some real guitar playing and jump at the first "good" :-/ player they see...

Even my parents think it...It's crazy...but it's pretty cool because due to their wild imaginations-(I think)-I have been able to come to own 13 guitars...THIRTEEN...thats a lot!!! INCLUDING A JEM...It's crazy...

but...I like it...some days more than others... :)
 

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Wow! I hope that modest thing was sarcasm...because I just read over everything that I wrote and it sounded SOOO concieted....SOOOOOO concieted to the tenth power squared...hahaha...

I'm not really like that...and the prodigy thing...I'm totally against...I think people here have just never seen some real guitar playing and jump at the first "good" :-/ player they see...

Even my parents think it...It's crazy...but it's pretty cool because due to their wild imaginations-(I think)-I have been able to come to own 13 guitars...THIRTEEN...thats a lot!!! INCLUDING A JEM...It's crazy...

but...I like it...some days more than others... :)
you thought i was serious? ;)
I didn't mean any harm though. no worries. but hell, 13? and i thought 3 was too many for me including jem (and i'm 18 )! Sounds tremendously excessive, but hey, maybe you are a prodigy. :p
Record some clips and send 'em here. love to hear them.

anyway, just keep practicing. when i was 14, i had the same problem. now that i have grown into my instruments, everything's easier haha. not that growing really had anything to do with it, but the habitual jam session never hurt. it will all become easier as you play.

again, "practice makes perfect." can't become a virtuoso overnight.

-Nordhauser
 

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there is SO much more to music then how fast you can play.

To paraphrase 'white men can't jump', you can LISTEN to Vai, but at 14, i doubt you can HEAR Vai.

If you have natural musical ability, do everything you can to develop it. The most important thing you can do is develop your ears, and learn that the notes you don't play are just as important as the ones you do play. Music is a conversation of sorts...nobody wants to listen to someone who talks all the time and never stops. Listening is incredibly important.

Natural ability is a great place to start, but a horrible place to finish.

~K
 

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I had the whole "next Jimi Hendrix" thing going on at school and with my friends and family when I was 14 and it was the WORSE thing that could've ever happen to me as a guitarist, seriously!

Almost everyone I knew (other guitarists included) thought I was going to be something special and I just ended not practicing because of it. I pretty much already thought I had "it"

Fast forward to 18 years old...

I then realised that all these chumps that'd been learning their theory (lol) and actually practicing to compete to become better than me (yes we all know it's not a competition, but I guess that what some young 'uns do) actual WERE better than me. It sort of knocked me for six and I sort of become disenchanted with playing, and with numerous other things in my life distracting me, I ended up giving up playing and not picking up a guitar for another 3 years. The 3 years passed and I finally ended up feeling like having a tinkle on the guitar, but because I wasn't surrounded by people thinking I was going to become a huge virtuoso I could really chill out and enjoy playing at my own pace. I think that's when I really started to learn that music isn't a competition, although I could probably shred those guys socks off now! lol

Yeah so if you have people telling you that you're a prodigy, just ignore it and get on with practicing, etc. I've wasted a lot of time because I acted on what others thought of me (HUGE mistake) and I've learnt more in the past 2 years than I would've in my first "stint" because I'm not in competition and I'm not trying to live up to anything.

Good luck!
 

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Funny you should mention Gilbert... He felt like he had no natural ability when it came to alternate picking, and that it just didn't come naturally to him. He got increasingly frustrated, and finally sat down and practiced his (butt) off, and now, well, look at the guy.

I wouldn't worry about whether or not you have "natural ability," and instead spend time you would have spent worrying practicing. ;) You may think you're good, and a lot of people may agree with you, but I KNOW you can be better than you are. This will always be true. Remember that. ;)
 

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I can see that times have'nt changed that much since I was a teenager in high school. (I'm 32 now). If you have the natural ability, try to harness it. Practice it. Put the guitar down and come back to it when you feel frustrated. Guitar playing to me is like...sounds cheesy, but kind of like being a Samurai. It's not all about going into battle. There is a lot of mental warfare as well. Never give up.
 

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tuggey said:
I can see that times have'nt changed that much since I was a teenager in high school. (I'm 32 now). If you have the natural ability, try to harness it. Practice it. Put the guitar down and come back to it when you feel frustrated. Guitar playing to me is like...sounds cheesy, but kind of like being a Samurai. It's not all about going into battle. There is a lot of mental warfare as well. Never give up.
Only joking buddy, good way of looking at it :)
 

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Don't worry...I mean I guess have somewhat of a natural ability...but mostly in the sense that I never had trouble picking the guitar up and playing it. Unlike a lot of people who I let play my guitars...if they've never done it before they pick it up like upside down and play it on their lap or whatever, just basically playing it in the most unusual ways that really make no sense...and if they are holding it the right way a lot of times they can't press the strings down right or anything like that...

My point is just that I never had to learn how to do that. I would just put my fingers in the shape of chords and play whatever sounded good.

And don't you people worry about the practicing thing. I can't remember the last day I didn't play guitar.

Generally speaking, I play guitar from about 4-6 hours a day...

CHEERIO!
 

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kennydoe said:
Natural ability is a great place to start, but a horrible place to finish.

~K
Great words of wisdom!
I agree with the listening and actually hearing the music.. I find myself still hearing new things, or hearing things in a new way if you will, in music I've listened to for years.
 

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No offense, but being able to pick a guitar up the right way and being able to fret natural chords doesn't equal natural ability to play the guitar well, it just means you no how to pick up a guitar and fret it correctly!

The WORSE thing I ever did was listen to Ace Frehley in an interview in some magazine (I think it was Guitar World or something like that, I'm sure it had him, Dimebag and Dave "Snake" Sabo from Skid Row on the cover all wearing Kiss make-up) Anyway, he said "Don't bother with learning scales and chords just play what feels right" or something to that effect, which is a load of balls and just means you learn nothing.

So yeah, only listen to the Gods of Shred* and good music teachers :mrgreen:

*Vai, Satch, etc. you know the drill ;)
 

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NO NO NO NO...

I wasn't saying that picking up the guitar and being able to do it was natural ability but it did pretty much come with some good hearing...

I mean...

I've also been able to hear the notes in music. I know it sounds like just playing by ear but I mean I REALLY hear the music.

And when I say I picked up a guitar and I was able to do it...I mean I was REALLY REALLY able to do it...honestly...I don't know how to explain the connection between me and music.

Probably the same as everyone who plays guitar but...I AM looking for a future in music.

And Ibanez249...you're right. and you're wrong.

I think it is EXTREMELY important to learn all the scales, musical theory, techniques, etc.

But I also think it is extremely important to play what feels right. And by recomending only listening to the Gods of Shred you are putting a burdon on me, I suppose.

I think to learn pay attention only to Shred music is nonsense. I listen to all different types of music. But yeah...mostly the Guitar Gods. But I look for different styles in different players. Most players stick to their genre. Steve Vai is a great choice because he incorporates tons of styles of playing.

I listen all the way from small amounts of Hip-Hop/Rap to Mozart and Bachman. But more to the side of Mozart...

I think I'd like to be, generally speaking, a neo-classical player. It seems the funnest.
 

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Vai said in an interview that he never felt like he was a "natural" on guitar. That should give you a pretty good idea of how far dedication can take you. Just try to advance a little further every day.
 

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HEY!! YOU!!

Are you the guy that keep selling these chinese knock off jems on the 'bay?

*shakes fist*
Sorry this post is a day late! I had a great chuckle when I read the above responce. I thought I might have been getting a little to phylisophical with myself! You don't have to worry about me selling any knock off jems on the 'bay! I only sell them at local pawn shops. Thanks TUGGEY
 

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NO NO NO NO...

I wasn't saying that picking up the guitar and being able to do it was natural ability but it did pretty much come with some good hearing...

I mean...

I've also been able to hear the notes in music. I know it sounds like just playing by ear but I mean I REALLY hear the music.

And when I say I picked up a guitar and I was able to do it...I mean I was REALLY REALLY able to do it...honestly...I don't know how to explain the connection between me and music.

Probably the same as everyone who plays guitar but...I AM looking for a future in music.

And Ibanez249...you're right. and you're wrong.

I think it is EXTREMELY important to learn all the scales, musical theory, techniques, etc.

But I also think it is extremely important to play what feels right. And by recomending only listening to the Gods of Shred you are putting a burdon on me, I suppose.

I think to learn pay attention only to Shred music is nonsense. I listen to all different types of music. But yeah...mostly the Guitar Gods. But I look for different styles in different players. Most players stick to their genre. Steve Vai is a great choice because he incorporates tons of styles of playing.

I listen all the way from small amounts of Hip-Hop/Rap to Mozart and Bachman. But more to the side of Mozart...

I think I'd like to be, generally speaking, a neo-classical player. It seems the funnest.
I meant theory-wise for listening to opinions given by Vai, etc. I also said listen to good music teachers (and that would cover pretty much anyone else that knows what they're talking about)

If you were natural then you WOULD be playing Gilbert stuff already. Fish around (google video helps) and you'll find kids that are pretty much fresh out of the womb playing stuff most of us can only dream of doing.

I know a guy that when I was at college, had never picked up a guitar before but a huge Slash fan. He bought himself a Les Paul copy and sat in at home for a week and learned every guitar solo and riff from Appetite for Destruction and quite a bit from random other G'n'R albums and it was all from ear too, no tab books or anything. To me, that's what I'd label "natural".
 
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