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I was watching the video on youtube "30 years of the Ibanez Jem" and at 08:50 there is a flash on the screen of an old ad. To the far right there are two Jems labeled 7FBK and 7RB. They don't have monkey grips but rather oval shaped grips positioned further back on the body. Were these ever produced? I googled around as much as I could and can't find them. The 7FBK has the disappearing pyramids. Does anyone know?
 

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Yup.. it's a Jem7PBK and Jem7RB. RB was 88-89 and PBK (not FBK) was 89-90. They have more wizard type necks than Jem necks, the fret board width feels a tad thinner to me. They're their own animals in a way.
 

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I know there are definitely a group of folks that count these two models as their favorites. I know we don’t have production numbers but my hunch is that they didn’t sell a lot of these back then. RB’s turn up now and again, I think it was the same concept as the new Woody jem today. That bare wood look appeals to some. PBK’s though are like trying to find a flea on a needle in a haystack. I suspect because sales were poor originally (hence the short production run) that there weren’t that many in the wild to start with, then, who knows how many actually survived the almost 30 years since.
 

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I know there are definitely a group of folks that count these two models as their favorites. I know we don't have production numbers but my hunch is that they didn't sell a lot of these back then. RB's turn up now and again, I think it was the same concept as the new Woody jem today. That bare wood look appeals to some. PBK's though are like trying to find a flea on a needle in a haystack. I suspect because sales were poor originally (hence the short production run) that there weren't that many in the wild to start with, then, who knows how many actually survived the almost 30 years since.
I hear what you are saying but you need to remember that these were released in the late 80's when the whole hair metal thing was still huge. Everyone wanted blight fluro guitars. Black and raw wood guitars were never going to be that popular at that time for that market of guitar players.

Today is a different story. I bet they would fly of the shelves if re released, unless of course Ibanez put ridiculously high prices on the, which they probably would.
 

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For sure. I actually wasn’t arguing your point, just making some observations about these two models. One thing is for sure though.. they most certainly would be big bucks!!
 

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The PBK is a great guitar. The handle is not as comfortable or balanced as the Monkey Grip. The neck is quite nice, I have to say. Some time back, the late Herc Fede swirled a PBK in red/black/white and it was called "Diablo". Gorgeous guitar. I like blue more than red, so I found a PBK and had Herc swirl it in the colors of an Imperator Angel Fish, which are blue/black/white. I am in the process of a complete setup after several years of being dormant, but all parts remain original (except finish). Really like the disappearing pyramid inlays.

Link to the original Diablo:
https://www.jemsite.com/forums/802367-post452.html

(Apologies for pic size)
 

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I remember when I ordered my first Ibanez JEM. The store I ordered it from had the Ibanez catalog and I remember seeing the PBK as one of the JEM models. That was back in late 1988. I was hoping to order the JEM 777 Loch Ness Green, but didn't know that model was only produced for one year. So I settled for the Desert Sun Yellow. I just couldn't get past that long oval opening on the PBK model, which looked like a after thought for a handle. Today, I think I would buy the PBK if I came across one at a decent price. Just because it's a rare JEM (pun intended). Anyone know the story as to why they produced a couple of JEM models with that odd handle shape as opposed to the standard Monkey Grip. Would be interesting to know.
 

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How did you ocluded the control cavity to swirl the body? A chunk of basswood glued and then rear routed?
Here used a plastic insert that sat right in the cavity, up against the clear guard. The edges of the insert were beveled so that it sat pretty well on its own, and he swirled them with this piece in place.
 

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Herc was artist. Great guitar.
I always wondered what was hole in the body doing to sound of guitar.
When I got it, I thought the same, but I hadn't noticed any difference.

How did you ocluded the control cavity to swirl the body? A chunk of basswood glued and then rear routed?
See quote from chronic insomnia below.

Very nice! Great Swirl and colors.
Thank you!

Here used a plastic insert that sat right in the cavity, up against the clear guard. The edges of the insert were beveled so that it sat pretty well on its own, and he swirled them with this piece in place.
Thank you...exactly right.
 

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The PBK is a great guitar. The handle is not as comfortable or balanced as the Monkey Grip. The neck is quite nice, I have to say. Some time back, the late Herc Fede swirled a PBK in red/black/white and it was called "Diablo". Gorgeous guitar. I like blue more than red, so I found a PBK and had Herc swirl it in the colors of an Imperator Angel Fish, which are blue/black/white. I am in the process of a complete setup after several years of being dormant, but all parts remain original (except finish). Really like the disappearing pyramid inlays.

Link to the original Diablo:
https://www.jemsite.com/forums/802367-post452.html

(Apologies for pic size)
Absolutely beautiful!

P-BK and RB are easily my favourite JEMs to play, the neck profile is awesome. I'd love to buy one but I've never seen one come up for sale in Australia since 1991. :crying:
 

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Absolutely beautiful!

P-BK and RB are easily my favourite JEMs to play, the neck profile is awesome. I'd love to buy one but I've never seen one come up for sale in Australia since 1991. :crying:
I had a chance to get a RB in the mid 90's for $900 AUD. By the time I went home to grab a guitar for a trade in, they (the shop) had sold it... Still pisses me off to this very day.
 

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I was in a similar situation when I worked for Venue Music in the 90's. They had an RB on sale for $995 down from $1995, but because I was staff I wasn't allowed to buy it unless it didn't sell on the day. My best friend at the time ended up buying it as he was first in line when the doors opened. I was gutted, but at least I got to play it from time to time.

I really hope they do a reissue of the two models, with the correct neck profile.
 
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