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Looking at the new Ibanez catalog I realized there are 2 main different kind of frets for Jems: Jumbos and W/6105. I was wondering what's the exact physical difference between them and how fretboards equipped with them feel.

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Hi, Here are the physical differences between the Jem frets

The 3 different sizes of fretwire on JEM's are generally 6105, 6100 (Jumbo) and 6140 (seen on the UV's, the JEM777VDY, and the BFP)

This is the size from the fretboard, height, and width

6100 .110 wide .055 tall

6105 .090 wide .055 tall

6140 .106 wide .039 tall

Some Jems have what is called SBB216-195 fretwire, it is also what is used on the RG series, best I have come up with, is it's specs are the same as the 6100, possibly the 6000 which is just a touch bigger than the 6100.

The common ones are 6100 and 6105. The 6100 is common I think on all of the old neck joint jems (excluding those listed above)
http://www.jemsite.com/axes/htm_features/spec.htm
that page will tell you what number was on what guitar.

Anyway, the long and short of it is, the 6105 will be a smoother feeling fret as it is narrower, and the crown will be more exaggerated than the 6100. But, the downside is, they will wear faster since they are narrower and have a sharper peak. The are the same height though, so overall general feel shouldn't change much. I personally prefer the 6105's, but when I do scallops on a neck with 6105's, I leave the seat wide enough to accept a wider fret at a later date if so desired, because the 6105 will wear slightly quicker.

So, personally, I would say the fretboards feel pretty much the same, but the 6105's might be a little smoother for a while, though, I don't notice much of a difference between say my VWH and my SK, the UV's on the other hand feel much different as their frets are nowhere near as tall as the others

Hope that helps :D

Jeremy
 

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Based on eye measurements I'd say that the SBB216-195 is about the same width as the 6100 but its height is somewhere between the 6140 and 6100.

My eyes are however not extreamly reliable. They do however both smell identical.
 

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Anyone knows anything about some frets called Dunlop 6230?

Some weeks ago I tried an old Frank Gambale Model with these frets on a Wizard neck and it felt faster than any Jem I've ever played. 8O I was pretty amazed because it wasn't my first time playing a Wizard but something just felt different. I did some research afterwards and found out that the only special thing about the fretboard were these Dunlop frets I never heard about before. So I guess they were probably making the difference.

Anyone knows if they have anything special at all or if they still make them? Maybe I was just on one of those good days... :wink:

THX again. :)
 

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Hi, Here are the physical differences between the Jem frets

The 3 different sizes of fretwire on JEM's are generally 6105, 6100 (Jumbo) and 6140 (seen on the UV's, the JEM777VDY, and the BFP)

This is the size from the fretboard, height, and width

6100 .110 wide .055 tall

6105 .090 wide .055 tall

6140 .106 wide .039 tall

Some Jems have what is called SBB216-195 fretwire, it is also what is used on the RG series, best I have come up with, is it's specs are the same as the 6100, possibly the 6000 which is just a touch bigger than the 6100.

The common ones are 6100 and 6105. The 6100 is common I think on all of the old neck joint jems (excluding those listed above)
http://www.jemsite.com/axes/htm_features/spec.htm
that page will tell you what number was on what guitar.

Anyway, the long and short of it is, the 6105 will be a smoother feeling fret as it is narrower, and the crown will be more exaggerated than the 6100. But, the downside is, they will wear faster since they are narrower and have a sharper peak. The are the same height though, so overall general feel shouldn't change much. I personally prefer the 6105's, but when I do scallops on a neck with 6105's, I leave the seat wide enough to accept a wider fret at a later date if so desired, because the 6105 will wear slightly quicker.

So, personally, I would say the fretboards feel pretty much the same, but the 6105's might be a little smoother for a while, though, I don't notice much of a difference between say my VWH and my SK, the UV's on the other hand feel much different as their frets are nowhere near as tall as the others

Hope that helps :D

Jeremy
This is actually Dunlop fret wire info. The 6105 fret wire used by Ibanez is made by Warmoth. Their spec is 95x47.
 

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This is actually Dunlop fret wire info. The 6105 fret wire used by Ibanez is made by Warmoth. Their spec is 95x47.
Which is Jescar wire.

https://www.jescar.com/fret-wire-specifications/

The Ibanez "6105" is Jescar FW47095. Some models will directly list Jescar wire. This JC lists Jescar 57110, which is "jumbo"

http://www.ibanez.co.jp/jcustom/2015/JCRG1501.html

This gives a hint that the suffix in SBB216-195 indicates the hardness measurement of the wire.

http://www.ibanez.co.jp/jcustom/2016/JCRG1601.html
 

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Absolutely. The OP inquired about "W/6105" specifically, hence my indication of it being Warmoth.
Warmoth makes wood parts. They source fret wire from other manufacturers, in this case Jescar.

As has been pointed out, some Ibanez wire is listed as coming from Dunlop.
 

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Not certain why I'm staying in this conversation but again, Warmoth is not a fretwire manufacturer. Have a look.

http://www.warmoth.com/

They are buying their "6105" wire from Jescar. "Warmoth" fretwire is all Jescar with the exception of 6130 because Jescar doesn't have an equivalent wire.

Warmoth 6100 = 0.118" x 0.058" = Jescar FW58118
Warmoth 6105 = 0.095" x 0.047" = Jescar FW47095
Warmoth 6130 = 0.106" x 0.036" = Dunlop 6130
Warmoth 6150 = 0.104" x 0.047" = Jescar FW47104
Warmoth 6230 = 0.080" x 0.037" = Jescar FW37080
Warmoth GD6100 = 0.118" x 0.058" = Jescar FW58118-EVO
Warmoth GD6150 = 0.104" x 0.047" = Jescar FW47104-EVO
Warmoth SS6100 = 0.118" x 0.058" = Jescar FW58118-S
Warmoth SS6105 = 0.095" x 0.047" = Jescar FW47095-S
Warmoth SS6115 = 0.108" x 0.051" = Jescar FW51108-S
Warmoth SS6150 = 0.104" x 0.047" = Jescar FW47104-S
Warmoth SS6230 = 0.080" x 0.043" = Jescar FW43080-S

Feel free to compare all these specs yourself:

http://www.warmoth.com/Fretwire-C216.aspx
https://www.jescar.com/fret-wire-specifications/
http://www.lutherie.net/fret.chart.html
 

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I have Jescar stainless steel frets on my 7V and they are completly different from the W/6105 on my other Jems (BSB/DBK). When refretting the guitar (3 years ago more or less) I recall searching from any fretwire similar to Warmoth and they all were different from this brand including Jescar. Jescar's were taller and thinner if I remember correctly.
 

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Jescar does not make a fretwire called 6105. 6105 is only made by Dunlop and has dimensions of 0.090" x 0.055", which is taller and thinner than Warmoth 6105 wire. If you wanted to buy stainless Jescar wire and said you wanted 6105, you would get FW55090-S, which has identical dimensions to Dunlop 6105.

The real question is why is Warmoth buying the wider, shorter FW47095 and calling it 6105?
 
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