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I want to buy an amp soon because I'm using my stereo right now and I need something for band practices (instead of some 10 watt POS) I was thinking about getting a power amp and cab because I just use a PODxt, but that's too pricey right now. I was thinking about getting a Laney (like a TFX, I don't want a head because then I would need a cab) I play mostly metal/shred and want something that sounds good without my POD for band practices and gigs. And also sounds good with my PODxt without coloring the sound too much. I don't need anything icnredibly loud but it needs to be heard over the drums easily and used for small gigs.

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Well, if you want to use the POD, any 1x12" or 2x12" combo with an fx loop should do the trick and should sound ok if you run the POD into fx return.

You can get some good power amps (non-tube) like TubeWorks mosvalve or Rocktron Velocity for good prices too and could probably score a used cab for a total close to a new solid state/hybrid combo. The good thing about a power amp/cab setup is that you can upgrade the components as you go along instead of being stuck with a combo that might not be of much use to you later.

You migth also want to think about getting something like the Tech21 PowerEngine.
 

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Thanks,

You're right about not using the combo amp in a few years (other than practice) so I might just spend the extra money for a cab. I was thinking an Avatar 1x12 with V30's. For anyone who has played one, how does it sound for metal and progressive rock? I'm also considering getting a nice head instead of going with a power amp + POD, but I'm not totally sure yet. Also, how much of a sound difference is there between different cabs and a head? (like using a laney head with a Line 6 cab versus Laney head and a Marshall cab) It's hard for me to explain, haha.
 

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to me, a cab is a cab. heads are the only major difference in sound. i use a mesa mark head with a marshal lead 4x12 and it sounds fine. it's really your preference. out of the line 6 or the marshall--since both are decent go for the cheaper one. ;)
 

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to me, a cab is a cab. heads are the only major difference in sound. i use a mesa mark head with a marshal lead 4x12 and it sounds fine. it's really your preference. out of the line 6 or the marshall--since both are decent go for the cheaper one. ;)
Ooo, no no no.

Cabs make a HUGE impact on tone. A bad cab can totally kill the sound of a good amp. A good cab can make crappy amps sound usable.

Speakers aren't just speakers. Even Celestions arent just Celestions, theyre are some great celestions and some terrible ones. Just because a cab may boast "Celestion" doesnt mean its good, theyre are plenty of cheaply made, crappy celestion speakers out there.

Speaker CABINETS are very important too, you can just stick a good speaker in a cardboard box and expect it to sound good. If they are loosly constructed, or have poorly designed dimenstions, then you may get loose lows or not enough low end, or overly bright sounding cabinets.

Think of it this way. Your amp, is like a beautiful picture. Since our eyes cannot view sound waves, The only way to view this picture is though a window, which is like the speakers. They allow you to "view" (hear) the amp. Got me so far?

If you have a cheap cabinet, its like having a window with mud splattered all over it. Your picture (amp) may be absolutely stunning, but who would know, since they cant really see (hear) what your amp is capable of.

A good cab should be like a crystal clear, clean, just-windexed window. It should allow you to easily view all the qualities of the amp just how they are, without coloring, muddying, impairing, or any other damage to your tone. It should let you view in such detail that you discover complexities and small, subtle idiosyncracies in the quality of your amp that would have been completely missed by a bad cabinet.

Think about it. . .the only thing between your ears and the tone of your amp is the speakers. . . how could it NOT be important?!

Its HUGELY important, and its not just the "tone freaks" who think so.
 

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Oh, and by the way, screw the Line6 junk and get a Laney tube head.

I would go with an avatar cabinet with Vintage 30's. I'd go with a 4x12, but thats just me, go with what you want. I guess you can always upgrade later on.
 

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Ooo, no no no.

Cabs make a HUGE impact on tone. A bad cab can totally kill the sound of a good amp. A good cab can make crappy amps sound usable.

Speakers aren't just speakers. Even Celestions arent just Celestions, theyre are some great celestions and some terrible ones. Just because a cab may boast "Celestion" doesnt mean its good, theyre are plenty of cheaply made, crappy celestion speakers out there.

Speaker CABINETS are very important too, you can just stick a good speaker in a cardboard box and expect it to sound good. If they are loosly constructed, or have poorly designed dimenstions, then you may get loose lows or not enough low end, or overly bright sounding cabinets.

Think of it this way. Your amp, is like a beautiful picture. Since our eyes cannot view sound waves, The only way to view this picture is though a window, which is like the speakers. They allow you to "view" (hear) the amp. Got me so far?

If you have a cheap cabinet, its like having a window with mud splattered all over it. Your picture (amp) may be absolutely stunning, but who would know, since they cant really see (hear) what your amp is capable of.

A good cab should be like a crystal clear, clean, just-windexed window. It should allow you to easily view all the qualities of the amp just how they are, without coloring, muddying, impairing, or any other damage to your tone. It should let you view in such detail that you discover complexities and small, subtle idiosyncracies in the quality of your amp that would have been completely missed by a bad cabinet.

Think about it. . .the only thing between your ears and the tone of your amp is the speakers. . . how could it NOT be important?!

Its HUGELY important, and its not just the "tone freaks" who think so.
I didn't say it wasn't important haha. Out of the two brands, I didn't think either of them were perticularly bad. Therefore, out of those two, I don't believe that one is much worse than the other. Now if he were comparing a Crate to Marshall or Line 6, that would be a different story; however, in the examples he gave, both cabs are acceptable and would be more based on preference.

By the way, nice analogy. ;)
 

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Ah, ok. Well, "a cab is a cab. heads are the only major difference in sound" is what got me off.

Best way to compare cabs, is to piss the hell out of the guys at the music store and crank amps though them. Most any cab will sound decent at low volumes.(although, you can sometimes tell an immediate difference in sound, like comparing a Peavey XXX cabinet to a 5150 cab, the XXX is notably clearer and brighter than the 5150, even at low volumes. But, the 5150 cab's dark nature balances very well with the 5150 head. A XXX would probably be a bit harsh with that amp, but thats just pure speculation, I've never actually tested it, it could sound pretty good. But how a cabinet can handle a raging tube amp easily displays which cabs can cut it, and which ones just dont take it well. IIRC, Line6 uses Celestions in their cabs. Like I said, Not all Celestions are good, usually "endorsed" celestions, such as the ones in Line6, some Crates, and Fenders are just there for the name to boost the appeal of the amp, since "Celestion" is such a good catch-phrase and people who dont know the whole story will say "HEY, thats what my hero uses in his Marshalls!" and yup . .marketing 101 in action. They usually aren't that good of speakers. Its kind of like those "Duncan Designed" pickups, they say Duncan on them, but they are NOTHING like a real Duncan pickup. They're usually made really cheaply.


Another thing to take into consideration, is how you may want to choose speakers for your particular amp. While a color-free sound is ideal, your amp may have some piercing high end that cant be dialed out (pretty common for amps to be rather abrasive at concert volumes). For that, I'd balance it out with a warm and fat sounding speaker like a Vintage 30, or maybe even try out a 5150 cab with it to darken them up. Peavey cabs, construction-wise, are constructed very well. I have a XXX cab myself, and Its VERY good. The bedroom volumes arent as clear as a Greenback or something, but high volumes are handled REALLY well. Its a very tight, clear sounding amp.

The first thing I noticed when I tossed my Marshall 1960B cab for my XXX cab was an immediate "tightness" that was not there with the Marshall. I could play Scarified (a fast speed metal song by Paul Gilbert of Racer X, played on the end of the low E strings. . . a good staple song when testing out the low-end capabilities of an amp ;) ) and all the notes would be excellently defined and seperate. With the marshall, it was almost like "woofwoofwoofwoofwoofofofofofofwoof." But with the XXX cab, it was like "chugachugachugachugachugadodadeechuga" . . .haha. . .but the point is, it sounded like NOTES! I could actually hear my string, not just the note it was making. Thats pretty impressive.

You know what sits on top of my XXX cab? a Laney 100w Pro Tube Lead 100w AOR tube amp. :) Made sometime around 1985. . .has a great marshall EL34 crunch, but with LOTS of low end, and a meaner "growl" than a marshall. More musical and detailed high end too. Lovely amp, Its a keeper.
 
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