Michael Jackson VS Elvis

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benmoon

Discussion Starter · Dec 13, 2009

who is better.... king of pop or king of rock?
by the way, no unacceptable comments. no "michael jackson molested kids" cuz he's probrably the nicest man in the world. and oviously its not true.

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jemaholic

· #41 · Dec 24, 2009

I have a hunch the younger posters choose MJ and the older posters choose Elvis.

Elvis was responsible for breaking through the color barrier and bringing predominantly black Delta Blues music to mainstream USA - who absolutely loved it and set the course for the music business.

MJ was the top of the heap - but Elvis CREATED the heap.

'nuff said.

Rotti

· #42 · Dec 24, 2009

Elvis knew Karate so Elvis beats MJ easily.

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DEADTUNES666

· #43 · Dec 24, 2009

waylay00 said:
I didn't say that everyone isn't entitled to an opinion. That's certainly true, but the validity of everyone's opinions isn't necessarily equal. For instance, I could have a certain opinion on rocketry (something which I know little about), but a certified rocket scientist who works at NASA will obviously have a much more valid opinion.

The whole notion that everyone's opinion is equal in cogency (not that everyone is entitled to an opinion) is an unfortunate byproduct of our increasingly egalitarian society. It's akin to giving trophies to everyone in a competition, even the losers.

Bottom line: everyone can have an opinion, but opinions are not always of equal value.

You're correct. Some things can't be put into opinions. You can't have an opinion on whether or not the the sun is shining. It's a fact. And it's a fact that Elvis has impacted music in extremely large ways. He was responsible for fusing blues and rockabilly and popularizing rock n' roll, elements of which incorporated themselves into other genres like metal, etc... And one assumption I have made is that everyone on this forum is into either rock, blues, metal, or any combination of them (considering that is is Jemsite). So unless you don't like any of those types of music (which could be true, in which case I stand corrected; chances are it's not though), then you certainly can't say he "sucks" with any valid argument to back it up. That's why I said it was such a sweeping, generalized statement. It's ridiculous in the sense that it overlooks everything he's done to impact the music we listen to today.

Sorry for straying off-topic. Carry on.

Yar yewsing some mahtee fancy wards for a lil' ole boy furm Tennessee...Whard yew larn them thar wards.

Just busting man...

andy7jem

· #44 · Dec 25, 2009

I was going to vote Elvis....but after what Jemaholic said it'll make me sound old...so i'll quietly walk away.......

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einarabelc5

· #45 · Dec 26, 2009

I think you're taking this the wrong way. I would totally go for who was the most influential one. Even better who's influence was the best all around in the long run. That would end up in a personal choice vote non fact based opinionated voting. This being a guitar site, Elvis would win by large.

einarabelc5

· #46 · Dec 26, 2009

IamFastEddie said:
Michael gets my vote because:

1. his music seemed to cross more genre barriers.

2. had both Eddie Van Helen and Jennifer Batten play guitar for him.

Your opinion is incomplete. Elvis wanted to Ban The Beatles from America and still they went and visit him at his house and they Jammed together.

No Elvis= No Beatles + No Yardbirds.

No Beatles = No Rock & Roll as we know it today.

No Yardbirds = No Eric Clapton.
No Eric Clapton= No Eddie Van Halen.

No Eddie Van Halen = No Slash.

Check your facts when you post about something you think you know.

Thank You.

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Stringz

· #47 · Dec 27, 2009

I think by enlarge both Jackson and Elvis had little effect on Rock music. I'm not saying they weren't popular but Rock music would have gotten along fine with out both of them.
I think Chuck Berry inspired more real musicians than both of them put together. But If I had to pick I guess I would pick Elvis.

einarabelc5

· #48 · Dec 27, 2009

Stringz said:
I think by enlarge both Jackson and Elvis had little effect on Rock music. I'm not saying they weren't popular but Rock music would have gotten along fine with out both of them.
I think Chuck Berry inspired more real musicians than both of them put together. But If I had to pick I guess I would pick Elvis.

You think?
Have you checked history?

Stringz

· #49 · Dec 27, 2009

Well be it right or wrong I am entittled to my opinion, that is the point of the poll.

waylay00

· #50 · Dec 27, 2009 (Edited)

Stringz said:
Well be it right or wrong I am entittled to my opinion, that is the point of the poll.

:roll:

There's a big difference between an opinion and something that's an indisputable fact.

einarabelc5

· #51 · Dec 27, 2009

Stringz said:
Well be it right or wrong I am entittled to my opinion, that is the point of the poll.

I don't know, in my case I like to give an opinion based on what I can get the know the most of. But if you consider your opinion needs no real fact based value, well.

einarabelc5

· #52 · Dec 27, 2009

waylay00 said:
:roll:

There's a big difference between an opinion and something that's an indisputable fact.

Wrong, opinions are based on tastes and how much limited knowledge the person has which are pretty much intertwined. If not, then don't feel bad when someone who's never picked any instrument tells you that Kurt Cobain was the best guitarist in the world. What you say is foolish.

Stringz

· #53 · Dec 27, 2009

Sorry if I offended with my answer to the original question, I guess my point was no matter who you ask everyone will have a different reason for thier answer. If you ask Alisha Keys about Michael Jackson, she will say he's the biggest musical influence that ever lived. If you ask Clapton he might say Robert Johnson or J.J. Cale. Angus Young might say Chuck Berry Or, if he were still with us, Dimebag may have said Ace Frehley. I'm not disputing that both MJ and Elvis were popular, they were superstars, But for me Elvis was the bigger of the two. And I still say Rock music would be where it is today without thier influence.

einarabelc5

· #54 · Dec 27, 2009

Stringz said:
Sorry if I offended with my answer to the original question, I guess my point was no matter who you ask everyone will have a different reason for thier answer. If you ask Alisha Keys about Michael Jackson, she will say he's the biggest musical influence that ever lived. If you ask Clapton he might say Robert Johnson or J.J. Cale. Angus Young might say Chuck Berry Or, if he were still with us, Dimebag may have said Ace Frehley. I'm not disputing that both MJ and Elvis were popular, they were superstars, But for me Elvis was the bigger of the two. And I still say Rock music would be where it is today without thier influence.

Ok, I'm looking at it from this point of view:

Elvis influenced the Beatles.
the Beatles influenced Jack Bruce who taught Eric Clapton how to properly play Rock music.
Eric Clapton Inspired Eddie Van Halen.

Eddie Van Halen inspired Shred guitar in Rock(Jazz guitarists had been doing it for decades. Listen to Django Reinhardt or Les Paul).

Shred guitar inspired Ibanez to build the Jem along with you know who. S.V.

Ibanez inspired JemSite.

Ergo: Who cares about Michael Jackson in this context?

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Stringz

· #55 · Dec 27, 2009

I not disputing any of those points. But you have to admit what Elvis really did was took Black music and put a white face to it. In your break-down you start at Elvis like he was the beginging, you could go back step further and say Arthur Crudup influenced Elvis. As did Country and Gospel music and so on and so on. I just feel, as great as Elvis was at being an entertainer, he wasn't an inovator. I still say he was much more of an influence on music that M.J. And music would be where it is today without both of them. Give me Buddy Holly or Chuck Berry anyday.

waylay00

· #56 · Dec 28, 2009 (Edited)

einarabelc5 said:
Wrong, opinions are based on tastes and how much limited knowledge the person has which are pretty much intertwined. If not, then don't feel bad when someone who's never picked any instrument tells you that Kurt Cobain was the best guitarist in the world. What you say is foolish.

Err, I was on your side, but whatever. :lol: :roll:

My main point was that some people are saying completely flase things and defending it on the basis of "oh, it's my opinion." Elvis did affect rock music, and that's a fact and something incapable of being opinionated, much like the fact that a JEM is a guitar (you can't sit and say it's your "opinion" that the JEM is a trumpet, because it just isn't).

Now, whether or not you think Elvis's affect was good/bad/whatever? That's an opinion, for sure.

Stringz said:
I not disputing any of those points. But you have to admit what Elvis really did was took Black music and put a white face to it. In your break-down you start at Elvis like he was the beginging, you could go back step further and say Arthur Crudup influenced Elvis. As did Country and Gospel music and so on and so on. I just feel, as great as Elvis was at being an entertainer, he wasn't an inovator. I still say he was much more of an influence on music that M.J. And music would be where it is today without both of them. Give me Buddy Holly or Chuck Berry anyday.

It would be here, but it would be different, for the reasons einarablec5 said (Elvis to Clapton to Van Halen, etc...). Anyways, Elvis actually combined rockabilly (a white form of music) with blues/"race" RnB (a black form), so you're right that he did somewhat put a "white" face on black music. And it may very well be true that Chuck Berry was the true "king" of rock, but his accessibility was limited by his race. Because Elvis was white, he was able to extend that type of music to a much larger audience. He did, by appealing to white audiences, make it OK or "safe" for them to delve into the black RnB and blues artists whom he and/or his writers used. You have to put it all in historical perspective and look at the causes/effects.

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einarabelc5

· #57 · Dec 28, 2009

waylay00 said:
Err, I was on your side, but whatever. :lol: :roll:

My main point was that some people are saying completely flase things and defending it on the basis of "oh, it's my opinion." Elvis did affect rock music, and that's a fact and something incapable of being opinionated, much like the fact that a JEM is a guitar (you can't sit and say it's your "opinion" that the JEM is a trumpet, because it just isn't).

Now, whether or not you think Elvis's affect was good/bad/whatever? That's an opinion, for sure.

Damn, My English sucks. I understood what you said as completely the opposite(actually went back and re-read). What was I thinking? Anyways, I apologize for that.I'm ashamed. (Troll mode off).

waylay00 said:
It would be here, but it would be different, for the reasons einarablec5 said (Elvis to Clapton to Van Halen, etc...). Anyways, Elvis actually combined rockabilly (a white form of music) with blues/"race" RnB (a black form), so you're right that he did somewhat put a "white" face on black music. And it may very well be true that Chuck Berry was the true "king" of rock, but his accessibility was limited by his race. Because Elvis was white, he was able to extend that type of music to a much larger audience. He did, by appealing to white audiences, make it OK or "safe" for them to delve into the black RnB and blues artists whom he and/or his writers used. You have to put it all in historical perspective and look at the causes/effects.

Can someone please explain to Stringz what The Butterfly Effect is?
You don't have to get into deep Chaos Theory and Lorentz attractor. But the movie could help.

In a Chaotic system(being any system in real life) a differential(small) change in the initial conditions will cause a completely different result in the output of the system. Who knows, maybe white people would be known for their Rap and all Black folks musicians would be like Living Colour.(They Rock BTW!!!) |_|

and Tony McAlpine.
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benmoon

Discussion Starter · #58 · Dec 28, 2009

overall those two artists had a huge impact on music.
elvis had an impact on rock.
michael jackson had impact on pop, r&b, soul, rap, etc.

both arre great artists. stop fighiting lol

Stringz

· #59 · Dec 29, 2009

Yes nuff said,,, I totally agree both were great artists and both did alot to further Rock n Roll. It's all good. The End.

benmoon

Discussion Starter · #60 · Dec 29, 2009

Rotti said:
Elvis knew Karate so Elvis beats MJ easily.

lmfao michael jackson did as well.
actually he went to black beltt

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