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Hi all,
I've owned my JEM77FP for quite a while now... got it used from EBay and until now never bothered to check the serial.
Now I did check, but somehow it does not make sense to me.
It only has a six digit no. on the neck plate, and that number is "060188" . Would that not indicate a 2006 guitar, which is after discontinuation of this model?
Anybody here who can help me solve the riddle?

Thanks!
 

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Hi all,
I've owned my JEM77FP for quite a while now... got it used from EBay and until now never bothered to check the serial.
Now I did check, but somehow it does not make sense to me.
It only has a six digit no. on the neck plate, and that number is "060188" . Would that not indicate a 2006 guitar, which is after discontinuation of this model?
Anybody here who can help me solve the riddle?

Thanks!
If it's the same as other Fujigen guitars it's 1990.
 

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Does it have a JEM neck plate like attached? Edge trem? a 1990 JEM77FP plate should start with 90xxxx like the attached pic.
https://reverb.com/item/1846223-ibanez-jem77fp-1990

If it was a late build i.e 2004+ then the JEM plate could possibly be stamped 06xxxx but definitely would have an EdgePro & the headstock rear would have a serial # in the long bow-tie
 

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If it has to serial number on the back of the headstock it'll fall into the range where they are not dateable. Left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing for a few years, they didn't get headstock numbers because they still had plates, but the plates no longer reflected a year.

There guitars will have the lo pro and direct mount pickups and fall somewhere in the 92'-95' range as a guestimate.
 

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What is the last year that they had serials that included the year? Last I can find is a 91XXXX. After that I see 16XXXX and then later 26XXXX. Is it possible that 06XXXX is what preceded that?
 

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Since they used the 260k plates on the 15ths it would be logical to assume the lower the oddball plate number the earlier it represents, but since the numbers have no meaning that we can ascribe it could be possible the 06 came later than the 16, although I would tend to believe it is earlier.
 

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My FP has plate number 261235 and serial F9935356, indicating that it may have been sold as a 2000 model year. You have F9935381 in used sold with 261339. You have three 15th where I can make out the plate: 263395, 263649, 263743. So I have a tendency to think that these are more of less sequential.
 

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seem sequential for sure. I don't have the serials to reference from my old PMCs, GMC, BFP, etc. see if any plates are > 1991 but does anyone have a 93xxxx or even 92xxxx jem plate picture?

JEM 87xxxx
JEM 88xxxx
JEM 89xxxx
JEM 90xxxx
JEM 91xxxx
JEM 92xxxx - any pics?
JEM 93xxxx - any pics?
JEM 94xxxx - any pics?
JEM 06xxxx - OP got pic?
JEM 16xxxx - confirmed
JEM 26xxxx - confirmed

I also have to believe by late '92 when they started dumping UVs to clearance the non-AANJ JEMs were probably more warehoused/unsold than manufactured after the VWH & 555s came out. The VWH probably came out later in the USA due to glut of product in USA distributors (chesbro/hoshino) & dealers.
 

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My FP has plate number 261235 and serial F9935356, indicating that it may have been sold as a 2000 model year. You have F9935381 in used sold with 261339. You have three 15th where I can make out the plate: 263395, 263649, 263743. So I have a tendency to think that these are more of less sequential.
Are you sure about this one? 263395
Since they only made 125 for the US as a special run the spread of 400 numbers doesn't jive even if a few other countries jumped in also [Canada, UK did]

Even if they are sequential they generally make little sense.

060188 JEM77FP
160378 JEM77FP
253367 JEM777DY
253374 JEM77BFP
263781 JEM77FP15TH

So there was a batch of 06, 16, 25, 26 with no rhyme as to why the 0, 1, 2, or the 6, 5, 6. The last 4 being sequential I could buy but doesn't explain the prefix. I dropped the ball on the JEM plate number oddities and concentrated of JS plate numbers trying to narrow down the graphic ranges, JPM serial number to find the 100A range, I knew the JEM oddities existed but never made a real effort to track them, and with no real way to date them anyway except for those with headstock serials like FP15TH's would be fairly futile anyway. Aside from a couple PMC's with 92' plates I don't know of any others, though I'm sure there were but on models I was not following. I've never seen a 93' plate, doesn't mean they don't exist, but IMO sometime in 92' when it was decided the AANJ would be used on future JEM models [EVO and the proto VWH's were 92's] I believe that's where the dated plates stopped and these oddball numbers start.
 

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Sorry for the late reply - I am currently travelling... the neck plate is in line with Glen's example. Somehow I am not able to upload the pic no matter what file size I shrink it to ... but here's a link:
http://gofile.me/448nl/z3g4VSvP5

(Never mind the certificate warning, it's my own NAS drive and I don't have any valid certificate installed currently...)

Don't have access to further pics right now, but I can confirm that there is no serial on the back of the headstock. And also, yes, it does have a Lo-Pro Edge.

Also, thanks a lot for all your input so far, I really appreciate it!
 

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It's never going to be positively dateable but assume it's 92/93 until something refutes it.

The better question is what is the earliest headstock sticker on an FP, that's the only way to correlate a known year to a plate number. I believe it's 98' but I think I've seen a 97'. It was never out of the catalog until 2000 but I've also had 2000's. Then next and last production was 03' and the 04' final production of the run.
 

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Sorry for the late reply - I am currently travelling... the neck plate is in line with Glen's example. Somehow I am not able to upload the pic no matter what file size I shrink it to ... but here's a link:
Downloading from DiskStation

(Never mind the certificate warning, it's my own NAS drive and I don't have any valid certificate installed currently...)
I've attached the file for convenience. thanks! :)

Don't have access to further pics right now, but I can confirm that there is no serial on the back of the headstock. And also, yes, it does have a Lo-Pro Edge.

Also, thanks a lot for all your input so far, I really appreciate it!
Interesting, thanks for sharing!
 

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As soon as I posted that I realized it wouldn't matter, FG would use any plate they had with no regard to if they followed any order. They could care less what number was on it, just that it's recorded so they get paid for it.
 

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Aside from a couple PMC's with 92' plates I don't know of any others, though I'm sure there were but on models I was not following. I've never seen a 93' plate, doesn't mean they don't exist, but IMO sometime in 92' when it was decided the AANJ would be used on future JEM models [EVO and the proto VWH's were 92's] I believe that's where the dated plates stopped and these oddball numbers start.
Do you have a pic somewhere of one of these? Every PMC and GMC I've seen has been a 91 plate aside from the 90 PMC in your gallery.

It seems almost impossible to believe that that 92 plates can't be found more easily. They were selling both swirls, FP, BFP, DY and VBK that year. Plus four UV's.
 

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As soon as I posted that I realized it wouldn't matter, FG would use any plate they had with no regard to if they followed any order. They could care less what number was on it, just that it's recorded so they get paid for it.
That's why I said "more or less sequential" order.
 

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It was on Rodney James PMC which is well documented here on the board.

When guitar is scheduled for production the parts are allocated at that time, so even though JEMMC's were s 92/93 model their production was slated for 91' so the plates are 91's. The 92' plate could have been used because of an overrun, a damaged plate, the first 92' plates came in and they needed a couple to fill out what they needed for the MC's, it's all just supposition but one thing is a given. FGN or HG is going to use everything and if it doesn't fit a year it doesn't matter, they're not going to throw a plate away.

And, anything that is looked at now can never be certified as fact unless the guitar was purchased new and the serial number is on the original sales receipt, because people will take a clean plate to replace a corroded plate and not care that the year isn't perfect, to make the condition more perfect.
 

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And, anything that is looked at now can never be certified as fact unless the guitar was purchased new and the serial number is on the original sales receipt, because people will take a clean plate to replace a corroded plate and not care that the year isn't perfect, to make the condition more perfect.
Yes of course. I'm talking more about the existence of ANY 92 plate on any guitar, even if someone stuck it on an RG550.

I'm guessing that with the rise of grunge in 1991, there was probably plenty of inventory on hand of Jems and Universes when 1992 rolled around.
 
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