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Hey everyone, I'm looking to replace the EVO pickup set in my '87 RG550. I don't dislike them, I just don't play much Vai stuff these days so I could use something else tone-wise right now. I'm just looking to swap out the bridge pickup at the moment. I LOVE the IBZUSA F2 in my UCRG1, it gets amazing classic+hard rock/Joe Satriani tone. What's a pickup that's similar to the F2 but is better suited for metal (more lows, less mids) but still gets great pinch harmonics and such? I'm looking for something John Petrucci-esque.
 

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If you are looking for petrucci sound, there's nothing gonna closer than petrucci own pickups?
illluminator, crunch lab, steve'special... you name it.
 

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If you are looking for petrucci sound, there's nothing gonna closer than petrucci own pickups?
illluminator, crunch lab, steve'special... you name it.
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If you like Petrucci, get his pickups. Also, the F2 can do metal, you just need to adjust your amp and pedal settings to get the sound you want out of em.
 

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The F2 is a great metal pickup.

In saying that, a similar pickup with more low-end is the Tone Zone.
Really???
I experience the F2 to have more low end and mids and less top than a ToneZone.
The F2 is my number one pickup for metal, and everything else actually.
Playing Mesa Boogie mark amps the F2 is just perfect.
 

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Really???
I experience the F2 to have more low end and mids and less top than a ToneZone.
The F2 is my number one pickup for metal, and everything else actually.
Playing Mesa Boogie mark amps the F2 is just perfect.
You know, only recently I started to take time to dial in my tone on my amp and while I didn't like the F2 before (thought it sounded way too trebly), After doing some minor tweaking with the EQ on my amp, it dials in an amazing tone. My amp sucks probably but still, I found a tone I like a lot with the F2.
 

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Thanks for the suggestions everyone! I should probably explain a bit more about my rig. I'm using a Peavey Bandit 112 with a couple distortion/OD stompboxes and a wah, as well as a Digitech RP500 in the effects loop for EQ, effects, delay, and reverb.

Do Petrucci's pickups sound anything like the F2? And how well do they work with other music like classic rock?
 

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To be honest, if you want to get the sound of Petrucci, your peavey has to go. Get yourself a Mesa Boogie amp. Going the pickup route and keeping the Peavey will never get you there. The F2 is closer to CrunchLab than D-sonic and steve's special. But not very similar.
 

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To be honest, if you want to get the sound of Petrucci, your peavey has to go. Get yourself a Mesa Boogie amp. Going the pickup route and keeping the Peavey will never get you there. The F2 is closer to CrunchLab than D-sonic and steve's special. But not very similar.
I figured that was the case. But as a college student, I don't have that kind of money to drop on a Mesa. I'm just looking for something that can play metal well (the EVO is way too trebly), and most of the metal I'll be playing is Petrucci or similar. When I'm in my dorm I'll only have my RP500, which has mark IV and IIc+ models on it, so that sooooorta remedies the peavey problem for some of the time.

What's closer to the F2: illuminator or crunch lab?
 

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What I usually suggest to people wanting to emulate a certian artist's sound is don't do it & find your own tone. You have to remember that the pros have a mass of gear that shape their tone besides the amp & pickups that us weekend warriors will never be able to afford. You can use an artist's sound as a very general starting point but my advice is to listen to sound clips test out what you can and let your ears dictate what you want not someone else's tone. For the sound your looking for the Steve's special may be a good starting point. It's eq-ed with more bass & treble and scooped mids. The other route to go would be as suggested earlier, use your guitar with the F2 and/or even the evo set and play with your amps eq settings. You may find the tone you want is already there you just need to dial it in.

If you want a good in-depth talk about getting the best tone out of your amp, there's a dude on youtube scott grove that that gives a really good detailed explination of everything. The vid is about an hour & a half long but really worth the watch. He can come off as kind of a jerk but but he's usually pretty informative when he's not going off on a rant.
 

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What I usually suggest to people wanting to emulate a certian artist's sound is don't do it & find your own tone. You have to remember that the pros have a mass of gear that shape their tone besides the amp & pickups that us weekend warriors will never be able to afford. You can use an artist's sound as a very general starting point but my advice is to listen to sound clips test out what you can and let your ears dictate what you want not someone else's tone.
This is kinda what I was starting to say in my last post. I'm not looking to sound exactly like Petrucci, I'm looking for something that's better suited for metal than the Evo and sounds similar to the F2. Given that most of the metal I play is dream theater or LTE or something similar, I want a pickup that will sound good when playing that kind of music, but will also work okay with the other music I play (classic/hard rock).
 

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This is kinda what I was starting to say in my last post. I'm not looking to sound exactly like Petrucci, I'm looking for something that's better suited for metal than the Evo and sounds similar to the F2. Given that most of the metal I play is dream theater or LTE or something similar, I want a pickup that will sound good when playing that kind of music, but will also work okay with the other music I play (classic/hard rock).
The F2 is fine for all of those styles. But if you insist a jack of all trades pup, get the AT-1. It's specifically designed for the bridge but it has low treble and is very balanced. Andy timmons did a cover album of Sgt Pepper with this pup, and he has his own solo stuff as well with it, that should be enough to see how good that pup is. The harmonics are amazing as well, they pop just as easily as the Evo with less output.

Listen to some of Andy's recent live videos on youtube and get an idea of his sound. The pup is REALLY good.
 

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The F2 is fine for all of those styles. But if you insist a jack of all trades pup, get the AT-1. It's specifically designed for the bridge but it has low treble and is very balanced. Andy timmons did a cover album of Sgt Pepper with this pup, and he has his own solo stuff as well with it, that should be enough to see how good that pup is. The harmonics are amazing as well, they pop just as easily as the Evo with less output.

Listen to some of Andy's recent live videos on youtube and get an idea of his sound. The pup is REALLY good.
Big fan of that pickup myself, but while it slays for lead guitar, it's not really a particularly exceptional rhythm pickup. The low end isn't all that defined. Remember that Timmons is a guy almost universally revered for his soaring, thick lead guitar sound, but isn't a name that gets dropped a lot for tight metal rhythm tone.

It's still one of my favorite pickups, but it's probably not the one for the OP.
 

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Big fan of that pickup myself, but while it slays for lead guitar, it's not really a particularly exceptional rhythm pickup. The low end isn't all that defined. Remember that Timmons is a guy almost universally revered for his soaring, thick lead guitar sound, but isn't a name that gets dropped a lot for tight metal rhythm tone.

It's still one of my favorite pickups, but it's probably not the one for the OP.
He mentioned he wanted to do rock/hard rock as well, and that's where the AT-1 excels. I actually like rhythm tone on the AT-1 more than the F2. Also, if you listen carefully to a lot of Andy's solos, he mostly uses the cruiser in the neck for his blazing solos and the AT-1 for rhythm and bridge into the solos. This is why I recommended it.
 

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I had a thought as I've been playing with this recently. If you like like what you have but just want a little different tone you can do a magnet swap if your comfortable with doing that sort of thing. It's really easy and only takes a screwdriver and about 10 minutes of your time. And magnets are really cheap, only a few dollars.
 

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I had a thought as I've been playing with this recently. If you like like what you have but just want a little different tone you can do a magnet swap if your comfortable with doing that sort of thing. It's really easy and only takes a screwdriver and about 10 minutes of your time. And magnets are really cheap, only a few dollars.
I wanna try the V7/V8 magnet change personally. I just dont know where to find magnets for pickups here :?
 

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The F2 is fine for all of those styles. But if you insist a jack of all trades pup, get the AT-1. It's specifically designed for the bridge but it has low treble and is very balanced. Andy timmons did a cover album of Sgt Pepper with this pup, and he has his own solo stuff as well with it, that should be enough to see how good that pup is. The harmonics are amazing as well, they pop just as easily as the Evo with less output.

Listen to some of Andy's recent live videos on youtube and get an idea of his sound. The pup is REALLY good.
After listening to a few videos, I like the lead sound but I'm not really digging the rhythm sound. I'm not sure if it's just the amp or the pickups too.

I had a thought as I've been playing with this recently. If you like like what you have but just want a little different tone you can do a magnet swap if your comfortable with doing that sort of thing. It's really easy and only takes a screwdriver and about 10 minutes of your time. And magnets are really cheap, only a few dollars.
I've been looking at all these threads about swapping magnets and it's definitely an interesting thing to try. I still have the original V7/8 set from the 550 so I could mess around with that. But will it get me the tone I'm looking for?

I've been looking at the Super Distortion and I like it but that seems to be straight up old school. Is there a more modern equivalent?
 
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