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Hi!

I've got a regular Jem7vwh that I bought a couple of years ago. I love the guitar but I've had some problems with it staying in tune whenever I use the whammy bar.

I've tried using all tech setup here on jemsite and also on ibanezrules but I still can't get the tremolo to stay in tune. I've triple checked everything: all the screws, tremolo angle, action, truss rod etc.
The problem I'm having is that when i dive with the bar all the strings go a little flat and if I dive some more, they'll go even more out of tune. Same thing with raising the bar, all go sharp.
This sounds like a knife edge problem, right? But I've taken then tremolo off the guitar and checked the knife edges and they don't look worn at all. I've also tried some lubricant on the posts and edges but that doesnt help either.

Any help would be appriciated :)
 

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Trems are notorious for going out of tune, hence the development of the Floyd Rose type clamping mechanism. Usually the problem comes from the strings hanging on the string nut. If you are using graphite in the slots not sure what else you can do.
I recommend a spring balance of 3, using a spring on the 6th and 5th slots and one on the 1st position and balance the pull tension to level at whatever your tuning pitch is. (A little trick I picked up fm Malmsteens tech) --I play a full step detuned so everything is intonated to my guage and tuning.--

Might be your choice of strings. Try a semi-flat wound (GHS Nickel Rockers) which still sound as good, or better, than most others. Or you might try some of the better coated tech strings these days. I started using the DR Black Beauties 11-50 and I play detuned a whole step and I just love the feel and smooth of these stings and easy wear on the old frets and fingertips. Coating does not effect tone or magnetic properties no matter what any gear head states, it's just physics. I am sticking to the Black Beauties, despite they look so freakin cool, they just play great and they are coated BEFORE hand wind, really great strings. I'll bet they will not hang in the nut slot like the typical round wounds.

I do not use a trem, although I am seriously considering putting one on my next build. I am big fan of Satch, Jeff Beck, and Vai and what they do with a trem makes you want to have one. Out of tune has always been a problem with them, this was solved by the roller nut design and the clamping nut, the only thing I have seen stay in tune are the clamp nut and roller design after complete stretching and tuning UP into pitch.
 

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Trems are notorious for going out of tune, hence the development of the Floyd Rose type clamping mechanism. Usually the problem comes from the strings hanging on the string nut. If you are using graphite in the slots not sure what else you can do.
Might be your choice of strings. Try a semi-flat wound (GHS Nickel Rockers) which still sound as good, or better, than most others. Or you might try some of the better coated tech strings these days. I started using the DR Black Beauties 11-50 and I play detuned a whole step and I just love the feel and smooth of these stings and easy wear on the old frets and fingertips. I do not use a trem, although I am seriously considering putting one on my next build. Out of tune has always been a problem, the only thing I have seen stay in tune are the clamp nut design after complete stretching and tuning UP into pitch.
As you obviously don't know these guitars please refrain from posting technical advice until you do ;)

Depending on the year, there were some very fat knife edge years that combined with pinched studs will give this result. No matter what year, if you follow proper procedure you will one fluctuate in one direction, piull up.

http://www.ibanezrules.com/tech/setup/lockdown.htm

And exactly what you're using as lube will make or break return accuracy. Whatever could be off besides those will be found here

http://www.ibanezrules.com/tech/setup/tuning_stability.htm
 

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Trems are notorious for going out of tune, hence the development of the Floyd Rose type clamping mechanism. Usually the problem comes from the strings hanging on the string nut. If you are using graphite in the slots not sure what else you can do.
I recommend a spring balance of 3, using a spring on the 6th and 5th slots and one on the 1st position and balance the pull tension to level at whatever your tuning pitch is. (A little trick I picked up fm Malmsteens tech) --I play a full step detuned so everything is intonated to my guage and tuning.--

Might be your choice of strings. Try a semi-flat wound (GHS Nickel Rockers) which still sound as good, or better, than most others. Or you might try some of the better coated tech strings these days. I started using the DR Black Beauties 11-50 and I play detuned a whole step and I just love the feel and smooth of these stings and easy wear on the old frets and fingertips. Coating does not effect tone or magnetic properties no matter what any gear head states, it's just physics. I am sticking to the Black Beauties, despite they look so freakin cool, they just play great and they are coated BEFORE hand wind, really great strings. I'll bet they will not hang in the nut slot like the typical round wounds.

I do not use a trem, although I am seriously considering putting one on my next build. I am big fan of Satch, Jeff Beck, and Vai and what they do with a trem makes you want to have one. Out of tune has always been a problem with them, this was solved by the roller nut design and the clamping nut, the only thing I have seen stay in tune are the clamp nut and roller design after complete stretching and tuning UP into pitch.
Complete nonsense! Try Rich's setup tutorial. There could be a few issues at play here.
 

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Thank you for your replies! :wink:

As you obviously don't know these guitars please refrain from posting technical advice until you do :wink:

Depending on the year, there were some very fat knife edge years that combined with pinched studs will give this result. No matter what year, if you follow proper procedure you will one fluctuate in one direction, piull up.

[ibanezrules.com/tech/setup/lockdown.htm

And exactly what you're using as lube will make or break return accuracy. Whatever could be off besides those will be found here

ibanezrules.com/tech/setup/tuning_stability.htm
The guitar's serial number is: F0801081, so that makes it a -08, right :wink: ?
For lube I tried some Sonax lube that says it's meant for lubing metal parts rubbing against each other, so I thought that would work on the tremposts and knife edges.
I've also changed the tremposts from the orignal ones to these thomann.de/se/ibanez_2le2_b.htm locking ones. I had tuning problems with the original ones as well and when I removed the trem I noticed that the the trem posts were a little loose. So I changed them to those locking ones and they sit nice and tight, but the tuning problems still remained.

The weird thing is that when I use the whammy it feels smooth, no cracking or any other kind of noise, but it still goes out of tune. I'm using that way to lock it down ibanezrules.com/tech/setup/lockdown.htm but it usually goes out of tune anyway. Sometimes the trem stays in tune when you play if you only dive a little, but then the next day it's usually out of tune again :?
 

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Locking studs do nothing without something to lock them to

http://www.ibanezrules.com/tech/setup/stud_mod_03.htm

Chapstick isn't a staple over there so I'm not sure what to recomend for lube, and I don't know how far out it's going.

It should always return to the same spot from a dive if you're following procedure.

Make sure you're not sticking strings through too far and they passing the seats and hitting the body.
 

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That serial number sounds veeeeeery familiar, and I'd like to see pics of the guitar. I have a bad feeling about this...
Thank you for your replies! :wink:

The guitar's serial number is: F0801081, so that makes it a -08, right :wink: ?
For lube I tried some Sonax lube that says it's meant for lubing metal parts rubbing against each other, so I thought that would work on the tremposts and knife edges.
I've also changed the tremposts from the orignal ones to these thomann.de/se/ibanez_2le2_b.htm locking ones. I had tuning problems with the original ones as well and when I removed the trem I noticed that the the trem posts were a little loose. So I changed them to those locking ones and they sit nice and tight, but the tuning problems still remained.

The weird thing is that when I use the whammy it feels smooth, no cracking or any other kind of noise, but it still goes out of tune. I'm using that way to lock it down ibanezrules.com/tech/setup/lockdown.htm but it usually goes out of tune anyway. Sometimes the trem stays in tune when you play if you only dive a little, but then the next day it's usually out of tune again :?
 

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I knew that's why you asked to begin with ;)
Yep--you know where I'm going with this one! The serial number that's stuck on my mind, is F0801881. It's close, so I just want to be sure. I've also seen some of the "others" with similar serial numbers: F080XXXX
 

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Ok, so here are the pictures of the Jem.

http://picturepush.com/public/4511980
http://picturepush.com/public/4511982
http://picturepush.com/public/4511984
http://picturepush.com/public/4511986
http://picturepush.com/public/4511987
http://picturepush.com/public/4511990
http://picturepush.com/public/4511993
http://picturepush.com/public/4511992
http://picturepush.com/public/4511991
http://picturepush.com/public/4511995
I'm using these sets of springs and the tremol-no because i like the feel of 4 springs over 3 with gauge .10 strings (Rotosound yellows). I've also tried with 3 springs and without the tremol-no, but it's doesn't work any better. Here's a guy who has the exact same guitar and spring setup and he said it worked perfectly for him http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=2601647
http://picturepush.com/public/4512001
http://picturepush.com/public/4511999
http://picturepush.com/public/4512003
(the trem is parallell to the body even though the mirror image and the lightning might make look like it's off)
http://picturepush.com/public/4512002
I think I'll remove the trem tomrrow so i can shot some pics of the knife edges as well ;).
 

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Your trem is NOT parallel to the body--well, the top is. The baseplate is what needs to be parallel.
Yes, the baseplate should be parallell and I have it set that way. After i took the pics I noticed that the guitar's tuning was a little flat and thats why the baseplate isn't parallell on the pic. When it's in tune it's parallell :D.
 

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Here are some pics of the trem..
http://picturepush.com/public/4516726
http://picturepush.com/public/4516735
http://picturepush.com/public/4516738
http://picturepush.com/public/4516736
http://picturepush.com/public/4516750
http://picturepush.com/public/4516740
http://picturepush.com/public/4516745
http://picturepush.com/public/4516749
http://www.bestsynthetic.com/graphics/grease_photo.JPG
Here's the lube I've been using. It kinda looks like yellow glue.
http://picturepush.com/public/4516742
btw, should Edge Pro bridges have a string lock block, like lo-pro bridges, between the string and sliding piece or should it be like this? looks like the bridge should have one according to this pic http://static.keebali.com/jemsite.com/tech/img/t_edg-pr.jpg

If you notice anything wrong on these pics or got any suggestions on what I could try to do to get the guitar to stay in tune better, please tell me :).
 
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