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What the HELL happened to guitar prices? insane inflation?

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I have been playing guitar since I was 14, I am 26, about to be 27 now.

I was going to purchase a Ibanez Steve Vai "JEM" Model in 2006, while I was in High school. I still remember to this day, it was listed at 1,799$ in ***************s catalog.

I had the 2000$ ~ cash sitting in my room, funny, once I got the money, it was so much for me at the time, that I did NOT end up purchasing the guitar ( sad I know).

I remember back then, Ibanez was still transitioning their "Prestige" line and selling all the old RG550s/RG570s, where where 500$ guitars at that time.

ESP had just released again the MII series made in USA line, and that was 999$ on drumcityguitarland.

I look now, and the white JEM is 2,999$. The ESP MII"s are 1,600$ and Ibanez transisitoned its main line to be dubbed "prestige" i.e. 1570's/1550's, 2570,2550 are apparently now the "RG655" and that is 1,100$ guitar.

I can keep going on the list, since I purchased Jackson guitars, like the KE3 and many other models from other manufacturers.

WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED? Is it a sign of the economy of the US? or did something cause inflation of guitar prices?

I KNOW I am not the only one who noticed this ****.
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What the hell happened to the price of cigarettes?! They were $5 a pack when I quit 10 years ago.

How come a 2014 Z is $10,000 more than a 2004?! How crazy is Nissan!! Nobody would pay that.

You know the #5 with w Wild Cherry Pepsi was $3.99 at the Bell a decade ago, and it's $5.99 now!!! Did the price of beans go thru the roof or something? What am I missing?!

If it keeps up this way they'll want to do something really crazy, like raise the minimum wage to $10!! I wonder how much everything will cost when they have to pay $10 for $5 work!!

What's the world coming to. 8O
What the hell happened to the price of cigarettes?! They were $5 a pack when I quit 10 years ago.

How come a 2014 Z is $10,000 more than a 2004?! How crazy is Nissan!! Nobody would pay that.

You know the #5 with w Wild Cherry Pepsi was $3.99 at the Bell a decade ago, and it's $5.99 now!!! Did the price of beans go thru the roof or something? What am I missing?!

If it keeps up this way they'll want to do something really crazy, like raise the minimum wage to $10!! I wonder how much everything will cost when they have to pay $10 for $5 work!!

What's the world coming to. 8O
Ok besides your sarcasm, I get it, prices are increasing.

Care to share, mr. ever-so-knowledgeable as to the causes of the prices increasing?

Clearly, it happens naturally, but also, as we know, the economy of the US is seeing a "hit" of the likes not seen previously before, as the dollar continues to degrade in value.

Also, unemployment skyrocketing.

So, any opinions Mr. Rich regarding the increasing cost of living and goods, yet lower pay, destruction of the middle class, and degrading American dollar/crumbling economic system?
The UK magazine 'guitarist' did a little feature on this two or three years ago taking the Strat and the Les Paul I think it was and measuring them against a pint of beer and a loaf of bread. All things being equal they were roughly the same relative price as they were 25years ago...
Also, unemployment skyrocketing.

So, any opinions Mr. Rich regarding the increasing cost of living and goods, yet lower pay, destruction of the middle class, and degrading American dollar/crumbling economic system?
Maybe you're not up of current events. The pay isn't lower when the minimum wage will be $10. the middle class is hanging in there, just working harder and getting taxed more, they're printing a few less dollars every month now, unemployment is slowly declining, and the economic system stopped crumbling in 2010.

I'll explain why guitar prices go up if you explain why my health insurance goes up 15% a year, even before the ACA bent me over.
Where is the simpsons "old man yells at cloud" when you need it? :)
Oh boy. Here we go again. Everything costs more and these damn kids are always walking on my lawn.
I'll explain why guitar prices go up if you explain why my health insurance goes up 15% a year, even before the ACA bent me over.
I shouldn't think asymmetric information market failure regarding insurance markets explains a whole lot of instrument market movements, but I would be eager to hear the theory :)
I shouldn't but I'll bite. I think that a lot has to do with exchange rate. The average exchange rate was 115.6 $/Y in 1/06 and 104.3 in 1/14 (about 10%), but any international company would have to forecast exchange rate based on historical data.

The dollar was very strong vs the yen for several years leading up to 2006 and has been extremely weak the last few years, only recently gaining momentum. This should mean that the exchange factor would account for more than 10%, possibly significantly more.

I also think that the Jem is a poor example because it's a signature model. The Jem has had a significant price increase, even when factoring in inflation and exchange rates.

2006 JEM7VWH - $2800 list, $1800 MAP?
2014 JEM7VWH - $4000 list, $3000 MAP

That's about a 43% increase in list and 67% increase in MAP. That's a lot.

But if you think that's expensive, look at the price lists for some early 90's Jems. The current guitars are downright reasonable by comparison.
I remember people freaking out when gas was was rounding a dollar. : )
Original 1959 Les Paul price $265.-- Case $14.25

2012 A les Paul from 1959 w/ orig. case approx. $750,000.--

:mrgreen:

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I shouldn't think asymmetric information market failure regarding insurance markets explains a whole lot of instrument market movements, but I would be eager to hear the theory :)
There really isnt "market failure" per se. It would be more honest to use "Theft" masked as "market failure". Kinda like the markup on an ibanez guitar.:lol:

If people knew what they cost direct vs what they are marked up to, this would be a pretty funny thread. I'll leave it at that.
What the hell happened to the price of cigarettes?! They were $5 a pack when I quit 10 years ago.

How come a 2014 Z is $10,000 more than a 2004?! How crazy is Nissan!! Nobody would pay that.

You know the #5 with w Wild Cherry Pepsi was $3.99 at the Bell a decade ago, and it's $5.99 now!!! Did the price of beans go thru the roof or something? What am I missing?!

If it keeps up this way they'll want to do something really crazy, like raise the minimum wage to $10!! I wonder how much everything will cost when they have to pay $10 for $5 work!!

What's the world coming to. 8O
I think the OP has a point if you look at the price.

But let's look deeper.


While MIM Fenders did not go up as fast, and certain MIC guitars have held fast or even gone down while adding quality, we see that the OP is talking mostly of MIJ guitars.

Due to economic forces out of our control the MIJ guitars, and many USA made guitars, have to deal with higher labor costs, much higher pay to musical instrument maker employees in those countries, and certain unfavorable exchange rates which artificially have made MIJ go up at a higher rate.

The MIJ electric guitar, while very good if not the best in the world in quality (think J Custom or Prestige), have not offered the best value for dollar. If you want a totally kick butt Fender it's hard to beat the great Indonesian Squiers. They are every bit as good as the MIM Fenders which cost a lot more. The MIC ESP/LTDs are so well made for the price it makes many players ignore the higher end Korean ESP/LTDs. So when we look way up the line to American Gibsons on the level of a ES-355 or Les Paul Custom or Japanese Ibanez Prestiges and J Customs, they just don't seem to be on the same page of offering value for dollar.

But if you want the absolute very best superstrat in the world like a nice J Custom RG or the killer Gibson ES-335 historically accurate semi-hollowbody of the legendary "dot" from '58-'60 with signed papers, then you don't care about price. The MIJ Ibanez and many USA electric guitars gave up on trying to keep up with Gibson/Ibanez/ESP/Fender plants in China, Korea, Mexico, Indonesia when it comes to value for dollar.

Add to this we all know great players who can play any of those less expensive guitars and kick all of our collective asses while we are 1/10th the musician even when we have our J Customs and Custom Shop "dots", then it just makes the higher end stuff seem more boutique and non essential.

But I am glad that there are two separate and distinct markets of the "value for dollar" stuff like the GIOs through let's say Premium RGs, as opposed to the museum quality Prestige RGs and J Custom RGs. Over the long haul it's not bad to get both which could be your J Custom for home and recording, and a regular issue RG for gigs and the road.

Since the Jem is the key guitar on this site, or its namesake, then the Jem EVO would be a dream studio guitar while one could gig with the Jem 70V without worrying too much about damage or the rigors of live playing. Both guitars are good and serve their respective purposes and the exchange and labor rates have pretty much made the boutique Jem EVO type guitars the only ones that Japan can make and still be worth their time. There's no way that, right now with current conditions, that Japan could make a Jem that streets for $1,299. The days of 300 yen for one dollar, and a populace war torn after WWII and willing to work for pennies are over. The work ethic of a hungry nation like Japan trying to rebuild has created a situation where the country has become rich and pretty much made Japanese made goods too expensive to export. In a way the current recessions in Japan are a symptom of their initial, fast rise of success. Japan has priced themselves out the market.
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Guitars are a luxury market.
Companies and people can charge as much as they think buyers will pay.

If the economy gets better and people start buy more guitars, the prices go up.
Guitars are a luxury market.
Companies and people can charge as much as they think buyers will pay.

If the economy gets better and people start buy more guitars, the prices go up.
Besides the standard economic forces, that too!

It's not vegetables, underwear, tin foil, water, or electricity or something somebody needs. The guitar companies can do as they please and not get that much backlash because it's a luxury and non-essential item.

When you have something like that certain sexy black Prestige RG, or Fender Stratocaster, or Gibson Les Paul, then you know there's always a built in player who will get what they want and won't mind paying too much for it. If all I want is a certain 7 string RG made in Japan, I may not be pleased by a Jackson just as good or even an equivalently equipped 7 string Ibanez S Prestige. For the high end, the companies who have a known entity, like mentioned above, or others like Orange 6120, Rickenbacker 330 old style, or Kirk Hammett MII road worn signature, they will always know that they have the upper hand and the consumer has little power in changing the price point.

Of course if you go way too high then it could make a player reconsider a different guitar. I remember when I wanted a certain period vintage Telecaster and I was willing to overlook other Telecasters which were basically much better guitars but upon getting ultra specific in what I wanted then I knew the market had the advantage. I would have even been wiling to pay a good 50% percent more than it was worth.

A good example of inflated prices, and people willing to pay almost anything are is rarified original Tube Screamer. Many other reissues can get a sound worthy of what one needs, but the original has not only the sound and the look, but the prestige of being the tube screamer/overdrive a whole industry is based upon. Ten years from now, there will probably be a person who buys an original tube screamer for what a nice used car goes for. There are certainly new Ibanezes in the higher end, with no real indication of scarcity or discontinuation, which can bring in vintage guitar like prices. I am sure there are a few players here who help support the reason Ibanez can give for keeping a certain list price artificially high. If the demand is there, and there are some who won't play Ibanezes not made in Japan, then there's no pressure for Ibanez Japan to change their pricing structure.

What level of high prices is due to economic pressures versus built in fanatics is hard to tell for the MIJ Ibanez guitars. Being probably the third most popular guitar behind Fender/Squier and Gibson/Epiphone, I am sure Ibanez will always find buyers for the stupidly expensive stuff like J Custom and Jem EVOs.
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Japan has priced themselves out the market.
Japan still owns the high end TV and AV markets, and I still see a heavy market share of Nissan, Lexus, and Toyotas flying off dealer lots. Your statement has no basis in reality, and still hasn't explained why my health insurance goes up 15% a year! ;)
I haven't sat down and looked at the math in a couple years, but last I checked, most of the increase in price in high end Ibanez guitars could be attributable to the combination of 1.) core inflation in the US (the price of everything increasing), and 2.) the US Dollar weakening relative to the Japanese yen.

It's possible something else has happened since then, but on an inflation-adjusted, exchange-adjusted basis prices were essentially static last time I looked.
Japan still owns the high end TV and AV markets, and I still see a heavy market share of Nissan, Lexus, and Toyotas flying off dealer lots. Your statement has no basis in reality, and still hasn't explained why my health insurance goes up 15% a year! ;)
The condensed version of the answer is Capitalism Rich... When hospitals can charge anything they like for services and supplies, and there are no controls in place to prevent the price gouging that gets worse and worse every year, the insurance companies need to raise their prices to compensate...
Japan still owns the high end TV and AV markets, and I still see a heavy market share of Nissan, Lexus, and Toyotas flying off dealer lots. Your statement has no basis in reality, and still hasn't explained why my health insurance goes up 15% a year! ;)
But where are those so-called Japanese products made? Outsourcing labor is why something like an Indonesian guitar costs XXX dollars but the Japanese version, while higher quality, is much, much more. Sure some of the pricing is quality related and you get what you pay for, but exchange rate is also quite huge.
Where do they build a Lexus?!

Toyota builds a Camry in the US and Nissan builds something here, everything else is built in Japan.

I know why my health care goes up, I'm just being sarcastic ;)
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