Simple enough question. Would you buy, say, a Desert Yellow/Road Flare Red/Lazer Blue/Shocking Pink Ibanez RG? I'm talking brand new, not a second hand one from an auction site. Let's imagine that Ibanez reintroduced the colours from the days when the original Jems and RG550's were released.
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OK, to NormalPerson and Morris,etc...
Fashions run in cycles, which means stuff that was once cool has a damn good chance it'll be cool again in the future. If you want to argue that those colours belong in the 80's, so does black/navy/silver belong in the late 90's/early 2000's. So where do you go from here? what other colours could you paint a guitar? This is where fashions evolve.
When there is nowhere left to take something, there has to be a change in direction and this is as good a change as any.
Fashions run in cycles, which means stuff that was once cool has a damn good chance it'll be cool again in the future. If you want to argue that those colours belong in the 80's, so does black/navy/silver belong in the late 90's/early 2000's. So where do you go from here? what other colours could you paint a guitar? This is where fashions evolve.
When there is nowhere left to take something, there has to be a change in direction and this is as good a change as any.
And another thing...
In the 80's it was cool to wear ripped denim and a rock T-shirt. You look outside your window, and if you are lucky enough to not live in an area full of chav-scum, you'll see young guys wearing ripped denim and a rock T-shirt, it's fashionable again. Hell, that's what I'M wearing right NOW. Plus, people will pay big money for this style because it IS in fashion again, something I'm guilty of because I damn well like the style.
You go into any decent clothes shop now and try and buy a pair of jeans that aren't ripped or worn down in any way, it isn't happening unless you are REALLY trying to not.
In the 80's it was cool to wear ripped denim and a rock T-shirt. You look outside your window, and if you are lucky enough to not live in an area full of chav-scum, you'll see young guys wearing ripped denim and a rock T-shirt, it's fashionable again. Hell, that's what I'M wearing right NOW. Plus, people will pay big money for this style because it IS in fashion again, something I'm guilty of because I damn well like the style.
You go into any decent clothes shop now and try and buy a pair of jeans that aren't ripped or worn down in any way, it isn't happening unless you are REALLY trying to not.
I'd want it to be on a more interesting guitar!!!
I think that Ibanez should revamp their colour pallette, BUT... I think it needs to go a step further.
I'd like them to understand that things like colour matched head stocks are part of the overall effect particularly on brightly coloured models. Maybe reintroduce the clear pickguard as per the RG770DX and the JEM77FP to the higher level RGs, colour matched inlays and pickups were fun too.
The Yellow FGM100 and the RG770DX are great examples of the effects that can be acheived. I'm bored with the 100% association between "top of the line" and "figured maple"
A reverse headstock here and their wouldn't go amiss either
I think that Ibanez should revamp their colour pallette, BUT... I think it needs to go a step further.
I'd like them to understand that things like colour matched head stocks are part of the overall effect particularly on brightly coloured models. Maybe reintroduce the clear pickguard as per the RG770DX and the JEM77FP to the higher level RGs, colour matched inlays and pickups were fun too.
The Yellow FGM100 and the RG770DX are great examples of the effects that can be acheived. I'm bored with the 100% association between "top of the line" and "figured maple"
A reverse headstock here and their wouldn't go amiss either
Yeah, good point.
Quite frankly, I'm getting sick of seeing vines on fretboards. Don't get me wrong, I do like them but to me they're being done to death.
What's wrong with throwing some pyramids on there (for 6-strings)? Coloured sharktooths?
Quite frankly, I'm getting sick of seeing vines on fretboards. Don't get me wrong, I do like them but to me they're being done to death.
What's wrong with throwing some pyramids on there (for 6-strings)? Coloured sharktooths?
Nope, I didn't want pink, yellow, or green in the 80s and I have no use for it now. If Ibanez were to rerelease said colors (colours, for our friends across the pond), would the guitar come with hairspray and leopard print spandex?
Ibanez risk going down the Fender road by having only bland colours and natural finishes. Fender lately though have started to introduce some nice colours. I'd personally never buy a natural finish guitar, once youve seen a few youve seen em all. I think its time the companies started listening to what consumers want, rather than being so stubborn.
Yes,evolve and not repeat.Heaven forbid that spandex clad grown men with big hair held up with 3 tonne of cosack hair spray should ever be "cool" again. Dont get me wrong,when thing are "in" they are great,and the 80s was fantastic,and yes I was there,but things run their course.When Nivarna became big in 91 they gave the rock industry a good kick in the poodle haired arse.At the time it did piss me off.This caused Ibanez to drop the none selling guitars and introduce new lines to deal with this problem,hence the BSB,DBK and the UV777PBK.Think of it like this,would the BSB have sold in 1986? No! Nor did the UV in 1995. Ibanez may reintroduce bright colours when the time is right,watch MTV and see for yourself.Ibanez now sell's a lot more than Jem,UV and RG guitars,and judging by the reduced size of the Steve Vai and Joe Satriarni range its because there's more money to be had elsewhere.And thats what its all about,money.Anyway must go,my spadex pants are biting.Ibanez249 said:
OK, let me get a word in here. Pink/yellow/green guitars does NOT equal big hair, spandex, hairspray, etc. I am a pretty average looking guy, I have short hair, I don't wear tight pants, I am over 30 and I have no desire to look like that, no desire to go on stage looking like that, I just like the colours. I cannot stand the metallic black and god awful dull blue's that are being offered now.
Now, those bright colours don't even remind me of the 80's. Sure, when was playing in rock bands and did have long hair, I owned 2 Ibanez guitars in cool colours (purple neon and road flare red). I didn't care whether they were in fashion, I don't currently care about fashion, and I think Ibanez shouldn't either. What they should be doing is creating interesting guitars, setting trends as they have done before, and not worrying about what's in fashion, because that, my friends, is for LOSERS with David Beckham haircuts.
People tell me that those colours wouldn't sell. BS. I know for a fact that they would. The demand for them is massive. Don't believe it? Look at the comments that people add along with their signatures in the Ibanez Colour Choice Petition. Don't want a brightly coloured guitar? Fine. Ibanez should be offering all the current bland colours such as dark blue, black, grey, etc. along with the colours that most of us really want. For every person who wants a bland colour, there's probably 10 who want a neon. There are many people like me who will not buy an Ibanez nowadays because they look boring, they don't have maple boards anymore, they don't have colour matched headstocks, and the pizazz has gone. Look at the range in the pic below. People have said it'd cost lots of money for Ibanez to reintroduce more colours. Why? Does green paint cost more than navy blue? People have said to me that there's no demand for bright colours. And I ask you, is there demand for "cubed black pewter" on the RG2620? Yeah right! I haven't seen a single person playing this guitar in "cubed black pewter", a cheap looking crappy finish. So how come other manufacturers can offer a good range of colours and Ibanez can't? Do they really think they are supplying what people want nowadays? Well they are wrong, and I cannot state this enough. No matter what people say, I know that those of us asking for a little more choice are right. Ibanez are out of touch.
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Now, those bright colours don't even remind me of the 80's. Sure, when was playing in rock bands and did have long hair, I owned 2 Ibanez guitars in cool colours (purple neon and road flare red). I didn't care whether they were in fashion, I don't currently care about fashion, and I think Ibanez shouldn't either. What they should be doing is creating interesting guitars, setting trends as they have done before, and not worrying about what's in fashion, because that, my friends, is for LOSERS with David Beckham haircuts.
People tell me that those colours wouldn't sell. BS. I know for a fact that they would. The demand for them is massive. Don't believe it? Look at the comments that people add along with their signatures in the Ibanez Colour Choice Petition. Don't want a brightly coloured guitar? Fine. Ibanez should be offering all the current bland colours such as dark blue, black, grey, etc. along with the colours that most of us really want. For every person who wants a bland colour, there's probably 10 who want a neon. There are many people like me who will not buy an Ibanez nowadays because they look boring, they don't have maple boards anymore, they don't have colour matched headstocks, and the pizazz has gone. Look at the range in the pic below. People have said it'd cost lots of money for Ibanez to reintroduce more colours. Why? Does green paint cost more than navy blue? People have said to me that there's no demand for bright colours. And I ask you, is there demand for "cubed black pewter" on the RG2620? Yeah right! I haven't seen a single person playing this guitar in "cubed black pewter", a cheap looking crappy finish. So how come other manufacturers can offer a good range of colours and Ibanez can't? Do they really think they are supplying what people want nowadays? Well they are wrong, and I cannot state this enough. No matter what people say, I know that those of us asking for a little more choice are right. Ibanez are out of touch.
It is broken. Fix it. Why do we have to literally beg for a few more colours? There's thousands of us wanting a little choice. That's potentially thousands more sales. It's not like we're asking too much. As I said, it is broken. It needs fixing. After being a loyal Ibanez player for 18 years it's gotten to the point where I won't buy Ibanez anymore because they don't cater for people like me. The situation truely sucks and I'm sick of it. Now I gotta buy another brand. "No big deal", some might say, but to me it is. You get used to your guitars after this amount of time, now I gotta get used to something else. I don't want that and I am very pissed off that I have to abandon the company I have been 100% loyal too for the best part of two decades, just because they can't supply me with something that looks half decent. To you it's not broken and doesn't need fixing. You can still have your blue/black/natural finishes, but there's a lot of us who are not happy and who are having to switch to other brands who care about their customers. It's like if Ford only sold cars in 3 colours. They would sell a whole lot less cars.
Just for the purpose of conversation here, 23 people saying "We want neon colors" isn't enough to make Ibanez do anything. Just because a percent of hardcore Ibanez fans want something doesn't mean that enough people in the guitar playing community would be affected by a DY guitar. The thought that a person would love everything about a guitar except for they have to get it in Navy Blue instead of Neon blue so they won't buy the guitar is silly.
The color is the thing to least affect a guitar, if you were to ask me, Ibanez should instead focus on making hardtails an option, and offering maple fretboards, before making a pink guitar for a small niche market.Besides, doesn't Daisy Rock make enough pink and purple guitars?
Im just saying......
The color is the thing to least affect a guitar, if you were to ask me, Ibanez should instead focus on making hardtails an option, and offering maple fretboards, before making a pink guitar for a small niche market.Besides, doesn't Daisy Rock make enough pink and purple guitars?
Im just saying......
OK, first off, it isn't just 23 people. There's a 17 page thread at the official Ibanez forum -- the biggest thread on there with the most views and replies -- right there in the RG section. There's threads at this very forum in the Comments To Ibanez section which are many pages long and ask for the same thing. There's threads all over the place. There's the petition I set up a couple of days ago. Man, there's DEMAND, trust me.
Now, when you say the colour is the least important thing, I disagree. Let's be honest here... who doesn't play guitar / didn't start playing guitar because they like the look of themselves with a guitar in their hands, or like the idea of themselves on stage looking cool? If you say you didn't, that's BS, and there's no way to convince me otherwise. OK, I didn't personally start playing guitar because it looks cool, but there are many people who did. Most people suck at guitar playing, but they have their visions and dreams, and there's nothing wrong with that! I don't understand why there are people who are so willing to come along and try and convince us that we are wasting our time by asking for a little more colour choice. All I want is a f***ing red Ibanez! Why do you guys care? You're not being affected, Ibanez will never stop making black RG's so don't worry about it. Just leave us alone, seriously, we have heard all the arguments about how we're wasting our time, and we're not convinced, and I for one won't shut up about this until some kind of conclusion has been found, I give too much of a s*** about it.
Now, when you say the colour is the least important thing, I disagree. Let's be honest here... who doesn't play guitar / didn't start playing guitar because they like the look of themselves with a guitar in their hands, or like the idea of themselves on stage looking cool? If you say you didn't, that's BS, and there's no way to convince me otherwise. OK, I didn't personally start playing guitar because it looks cool, but there are many people who did. Most people suck at guitar playing, but they have their visions and dreams, and there's nothing wrong with that! I don't understand why there are people who are so willing to come along and try and convince us that we are wasting our time by asking for a little more colour choice. All I want is a f***ing red Ibanez! Why do you guys care? You're not being affected, Ibanez will never stop making black RG's so don't worry about it. Just leave us alone, seriously, we have heard all the arguments about how we're wasting our time, and we're not convinced, and I for one won't shut up about this until some kind of conclusion has been found, I give too much of a s*** about it.
So you would rather have a Yellow guitar that was tonally garbage, played like garbage, and had all inferior components than a great sounding, and playing guitar that was black?Deeswift said:
As for the 17 page thread, I haven't read it but I'm sure thats mostly discussion and not 17 pages of individual people saying they want neon finishes.
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