[TAorama]

Oh, for the love of Pete. Mods - can you delete the multiple posts???

 

[Dee]

Wanna post that again just for good measure?

 

[ibanezdiehard]

thats a damn big triple post.

was it an accident or are you REALLY trying to hammer your point home

 

[Clonetool]

Mr Giger if your out there quit making 3000 dollar chairs and chime in.

 

[Rich]

Oh here we go - GOD SPEAKS --- so you claim to have insite into what I know -Whatever!! How about a big SHUTUP!!!

My insight tells me if you actually believe that then you're as clueless as you sound. Don't make idiot statements if you don't want "God" to chime in. :roll:

Can someone explain to me why Ibanez Japan would not employ the same guitar building techniques in their Korea factory? Did the Korea factory open up as a seperate entity and decide to learn how to build Ibanez guitars or was it setup by Ibanez japan etc...

It seems to me that they would use some Ibanez know how if they were going to build Ibanez guitars for the mass market and badge them as Ibanez. Im not saying that their attention to details is as good as the japanese, and maybe the Korean grown trees are inferior to Japanese trees, hence the wood is not as good etc... But I would bet that the techniques in Korea arnt that different to the Japanese factory

They must have some skills....???

Ibanez has never and probably will never have their own factory. They subcontract factories to build their designs and to a certain specific spec. Cort has some craftsman that could build real Prestige grade guitars but they are not paid to. Cort is not paid to select [or purchase] 1/4 sawn wood for neck construction, it isn't paid to cure it to the same degree, and they [evidently] intentionally have CNC programs for neck profiles that leave considerable to be desired to their JP counterpart. Then they don't pay the "craftsman" [which really aren't because the spec isn't called for to have Corts true craftsman working on these] because the spec doesn't call for the level of quality they require of Fujigen. Add to that hardware made by Gotoh Korea that is intentionally designed to a more inferior spec and made from cheaper materials.

ALL of this is to seperate the classes of guitars into price points [insert the addition of Indonesian and Chinese made Ibanez to further fill the cheaper pure entry level merch] and quality/performance points, just as Japan seperates it's own class production [currently] from Prestige and J Custom.

Why?

Who would buy their best and most expensive true "instruments" if the cheap stuff they contract from offshore was near/or the same quality? They only commision them to be made as good as they need to to sell at their set price points, and are intentionally spec'd to be inferior in all ways to their more expensive classes of instruments, which of course cost much more to build. J Custom costs the absolute most in both materials and craftsmanship, Prestige Japan costs much more than Korea, which costs more than Indonesia, which costs more than China. That's the economics of the guitar business no matter who's name is on the headstock.

Great players can make $100 guitars sing, but great players that actually have a few dollars play the level of instrument comensurate with their abilities.

Brian May's homebuilt was made from a very old seasoned fireplace mantle, and the pickups he probably wound and experimented enough times to get the results he wanted. The tone of that guitar has always been sweet, but he did enough research and spent enough time to build himself the guitar that suited him 100%.

 

[IbanezFreak777]

OMG I never said that top quality guitars played worse or equal to cheap guitars.

My point is and always was that the Giger is a good guitar, not a great guitar not a pro guitar and not a custom guitar.

When this thread started people were just saying its crap

So all I was saying back was that its not crap and it has playability and potential.

and Taorama I never said that a department-store guitar is capable of producing the same tone quality and spectrum of sound as a Jem. I never said that EVER... Why not read before your comment on my remarks....

I said if you had read carefully that Brian May never used a Jem to get where he is. and That is all..... I needed to point that out...

Also Im not apposed to paying more for better quality Ibanez.

I just feel that I have a better understanding of the Giger Since I own one and have spent more time with it then any of you who obviously dont own one.

Picking up a Giger and playing it for 20 mins at a guitar show or in a shop does not give you the real deal.

I spent months with it so far and have gotten some great sounds out of it. Thats all I was trying to point out....



And just to point out that each and everyone who posted anti giger comments. Maybe you should have read the Initial first comment made by CHI

"hey guys anybody here owns one? i like the iceman giger series "

He asked if anyone owned one because he wanted a real opinion of the guitar, not from someone who played with one for 20 mins.

Since I owned one I was the first to reply and told him that its a good enough guitar to buy and I was happy with my purchase.

The rest after that started because of comments that just came out of mouths without brains

Chi asked if you owned one

Since I hardly doubt any of you who hate the giger or bagged the giger owned one Who are you to answer Chis question, your just causing trouble IMO.

 

[screamndemon69]

Since when does made in Korea mean that quality or know how will be any different to made in Japan.

this was the statement YOU said and now you're changing your point entirely when people tell you the facts and truth.

forumites chimed in because you got defensive and tried to sound like you actually know something about MIK vs MIJ production, which obviously from the above statement, you don't.

i would be extremely suprised if ANYONE on this forum knows Ibanez quality to the extent that Rich does so it is beyond RUDE to tell him to "shutup" or to tell the other forumites to "get over themselves" when facts are what are being stated rather than the OPINIONS that are being thrown out like they are facts.

get your stuff straight before you spout off and show some restraint in personal attacks or your jemsite experiences will be very short-lived.

i highly doubt you would want to go to the Jackson forum and tell their experts that the MIJ stuff is BETTER than the made in USA. the Ibanez MIK is simply inferior to MIJ but that doesn't mean the MIK lines are crap, just inferior to MIJ. that is a fact, not an opinion.

 

[TAorama]

Wanna post that again just for good measure?

LOL. Dunno what the heck happened. I was trying to edit, and it just posted duplicates. Doh!

 

[TAorama]

thats a damn big triple post.

was it an accident or are you REALLY trying to hammer your point home

Just wanted to be SURE everyone was paying attention!

 

[TAorama]

and Taorama I never said that a department-store guitar is capable of producing the same tone quality and spectrum of sound as a Jem. I never said that EVER... Why not read before your comment on my remarks....

Well, there's this:

My good mate recently bought an electric guitar. Its a peice of ****, he paid $100 for it. I tuned it for him and started giving him lessons, and once I got used to the guitar, I could feel for its strengths and weaknesses and adapted to it and got some good sounds from it. Its all in the player and not the guitar.

Or this:

You know I still believe its the player and not the guitar...

Sorry mate but if you think buying an expensive guitar is going to make you sound better your on drugs ....

The above quotes pretty much sum up what I was referring to regarding your statements about the guitar being an irrelevant part of the equation. "Its all in the player and not the guitar," right? I was making extreme comparisons to illustrate why I disagree with your statements. If I have somehow misunderstood your point of view, please let me know.

 

[Dee]

I never EVER agreed with the "it's the player, not the instrument" line of thinking. That's pure BS! I have been playing for not too far off 3 decades and I consider myself pretty decent, but some guitars I have picked up and they were unplayable pieces of crap that made me sound like a beginner. I would dare any "pro" to pick up those guitars and sound anywhere near as good as they normally do. Francis Dunnery would agree. There's a video of It Bites on YouTube (look for "It Bites - Equinox" if you care at all) where he's playing very fast legato with only his left hand on a Squier Strat. He says he couldn't do it on the Fender he also owns because the action and neck are not as good. I have friends who are great guitarists that don't sound nice at all on bad guitars. I have also seen a video of Malmsteen buying / playing a used vintage Strat in London and he sounded ROUGH compared to how he normally sounds.

It's NOT the player. A bad guitar is a bad guitar, period. Let's cut the crap.

 

[ibanezdiehard]

My point is and always was that the Giger is a good guitar, not a great guitar not a pro guitar and not a custom guitar.

So all I was saying back was that its not crap and it has playability and potential.

I just feel that I have a better understanding of the Giger Since I own one and have spent more time with it then any of you who obviously dont own one.

Picking up a Giger and playing it for 20 mins at a guitar show or in a shop does not give you the real deal.

I spent months with it so far and have gotten some great sounds out of it. Thats all I was trying to point out....

And just to point out that each and everyone who posted anti giger comments. Maybe you should have read the Initial first comment made by CHI

"hey guys anybody here owns one? i like the iceman giger series "

He asked if anyone owned one because he wanted a real opinion of the guitar, not from someone who played with one for 20 mins.

Since I owned one I was the first to reply and told him that its a good enough guitar to buy and I was happy with my purchase.

The rest after that started because of comments that just came out of mouths without brains

Chi asked if you owned one

Since I hardly doubt any of you who hate the giger or bagged the giger owned one Who are you to answer Chis question, your just causing trouble IMO.

dude i owned an RGT42 for 8 months it's the exact same guitar just without the graphics and the over the top price tag.

i replaced it with a prestige for a reason,

so don't try to tell me i don't know anything about the guitar in question

 

[Eco]

Im sorry, i've played loads of Ibanez guitars and for consistancy in build (Im not gonna sit and say all MIJ are flawless) the Japanese ones have alot less problems and construction issues.

Its obvious, alot more guitars come out of the Korean factorys, with less stringent quality control, so of course the market place is going to have a bunch of ****, thats not to say everyone comes out like that, its just what keeps them cheap.

I've played 4 or 5 different RGTHRG2's now and for the price i wouldnt buy any of them. I love the graphic, but im glad i didnt order one before i tried it or i would have been really disappointed.

The facts are all over where you look on forums when it comes to build quality, 8/10 guitars Made in Korea wont be up to par with their Japanese counterparts.

And heres my asskissing paragraph. If you totally disregard what Rich says when he's one of the most respected dealers of ibanez guitars i've heard about, theres something wrong straight away, he's dealt with Ibanez guitars for years and im pretty sure he's seen hundreds of build issues on korean guitars which are almost none existant on Japanese guitars.

 

[Invad3r]

Giger has a junky trem.

 

[newbieguitarmaker]

i saw the S one at sam ash in NY and I was so amazed at that finish